EP367: Jeff, Flatcap and Chinomage Celebrates Gaming Conference

Jeff Reed: Hey everybody, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. We've got episode 367 here. At some point I am officially going to lose count, but excited about the conversation today and the events of yesterday. We wrapped up... Digital missionary summit season with our gaming summit yesterday. We hosted a four, five, six hour conference yesterday on Discord. And it was a lot of fun. And Discord did pretty good. And really, we wanted to celebrate today the... Events of yesterday. Some powerful moments. Some takeaways. Some, you know, gotchas. And just kind of celebrate that. And so, for the conversation, I wanted to bring in the two people responsible for yesterday. And that would be Leighton. I'm saying size because everybody always corrects me when I say it. Leighton Size, right? That's correct. Okay.

Leighton Seys: It rhymes with Satan Lies. That's how I tell everybody. Satan Lies Sighs.

Jeff Reed: And every time I say that, yeah, every time I say that, somebody's like, no, it says. I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's Sighs. And, of course, Andy, we're going to pronounce it Mage because I actually have no idea how to make fun of that name other than Mage.

Andy Mage: It doesn't rhyme with Satan anything. Yeah. Satan's Cage.

SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there we go. That's all I got. All right, hey, so listen, these were the brain, the architects, let's call it that way.

Jeff Reed: These were the architects behind yesterday's gaming conference and the host as well, the Gaming Summit. I got to kick back in the chair and watch. I got to sleep in on the day. No early morning details to scramble for. These guys handled it all the way and super excited about the work that was done. And so, gentlemen, thanks for handling the gaming summit yesterday as well as it went. Layton, man, I'd love to kick it off to you. Like, what happened yesterday? Like, give me an overview. Give me a snapshot. Give me your kind of lasting impression.

Leighton Seys: I think some of it was a bunch of people that are either in the process of feeling called to digital ministry and are making connections around gaming and going, can I actually do ministry in gaming? Or people that have already been doing it and they're just like, I don't know what model to follow. I don't know who I'm following after. I can look and I can see some successful people out there or some successful organizations, but I have no pathway to implement it. So there's a lot of people that are just hungry for some friends on mission, some guidance, some direction, and they were just showing up. throughout the time that we were there. I think we are now about 820 people in the Discord. So probably in the process of coming up to the conference, we probably gained somewhere around 70, 75 new people in the Discord community and people just coming over in the last week, joining in, coming in, whether they were there the whole day or not. Just a lot of people hungry and excited about what God is up to.

Jeff Reed: Yeah, it was fun to see all the new subscribers come into the server and starting to engage in that space and that. I do want to get into the conference on Discord and some of the technical aspects of that. But Andy, what was your takeaway from yesterday?

Andy Mage: I don't want to be biased, but I think the gaming conference had the best engagement out of all of them. I think it's, you know, for a number of factors, Discord makes it real easy. Everybody there kind of knew the platform already. Nobody was learning a new platform like Hublot, which was awesome as a partner, but nobody had to learn. things um one of the coolest things that i saw also obviously were you know gamers or gaming adjacent or you know people that are are relatively uh uh used to talking in a space like discord uh not only was engagement off the roof but people understood immediately how to turn their cameras on and so uh towards the end well after our kind of wrap up q a session we opened up rooms afterwards for all the speakers and all the sponsors and uh i hung out in our lux room for about an hour. I think Layton hung out in his room for about an hour and then moved to another room for 45 minutes or an hour. And so that was about two hours. And I went downstairs to cook some dinner and get ready for church. We had church that night. And I came back upstairs about two and a half, almost three hours later and open up Discord. And Jate was still in the room with five people just still talking. And I thought, man, this is... I mean, that's Jay in a nutshell, but also like he, he canceled his entire stream for the day just to be there. He cleared out all this space and I don't know, just the buy-in from him, from North Hill, from Layton and from Jersey was just incredible to see.

Jeff Reed: Yeah, you know what, if I had known he was going that long, I probably would have jumped in there myself. I had something right after the conference. But I loved, so the keynotes yesterday, Leighton opened up, and then North Hill Live, which was new to me. Talk to me, what's his name over there at North Hill?

Leighton Seys: Chris. So he got started with a, he's been a church planter for years. He pastors a church. His church inherited another building and his church said, we don't need to do a plant in that physical space. Let's take that physical church and let's plant a digital church. And so he's been after that for the last three years, doing that, creating a sound studio in there, putting together all of what he's doing. So taking all of his knowledge of planting physical churches over the year and moving that into digital spaces. So his church doesn't fully grasp or understand half of what he's doing, but they are just like, you're reaching people that we can't reach otherwise. And so we're going to support this and get behind all of that.

Jeff Reed: Interesting. You know what? I did not know that aspect of the story. That's intriguing to me that a physical church, you know, it's decreasing and decreasing. There were a couple that were doing it for a while, and it's kind of trickled away, but it's cool to see North Hill Live still doing it. And then, Andy, you spoke with the Lux crowd. What was your talk about, Andy?

Andy Mage: Yeah, so it was less about me. I was interviewing Dalton Rosiska, who is our over at Lux. He is our community and discipleship pastor. And he one of the things that Leighton and I were trying to do at this conference is to really show that. digital ministry and digital missions work inside of the gaming sphere is less about the game you're playing and more about the target that you're creating. And that's why Leighton's talk was really great, kind of kicking off the whole process of really starting to define who your one is. And then North Hill, Chris came in and really started talking about how do you know if you're actually doing well. Talked about metrics, really. um kind of gave us archetypes as well as to if you are this type of streamer or this type of content creator you should be looking at this and it was it was really cool uh dalton dalton does a really cool thing with lux where he he calls it setting a table and this is this is normal church parlance but he creates teams of table setters to allow community to gather and form and so i really wanted to impress upon our people that Hey, yes, we can do it at Lux because we have a staff and we have a giant Discord server, but you can do it even if you're just a TikTok streamer or especially if you have a small fledgling community and here's your steps to do it, which was really fun. And then we kind of turn it over to Jade.

Leighton Seys: jay jay did jay things where jay just kind of opened the door and said like hey i've got a simple like like not like oh well we wouldn't know this but let's let's just take it back start with do you love do you love jesus do you love god well yeah i do Do you love Jesus? Like, okay, what you're doing in streaming, is this about loving Jesus? Is this about loving people? Or is it something else that's creeping in? He didn't say it this way, but this is just my takeaway from it. That reevaluation of, yeah, the reason I want to be in digital ministry is because I love God. The reason I want to be in digital ministry is because I love people. And if people are in digital spaces and I love them, I got to go to them. And if I want to bring the love of God, so like Jake just starts as simple as it can be. And then just opens it up to, Hey, what questions do you have? I want to answer your questions. And it was like, we could have just, and then that's why it made so much sense. Jake just hopped in a chat room and sat there for hours because people just wanted to be around him and, and learn from him and just rub off, have him rub off on them.

Jeff Reed: Yeah, his talk was about five minutes, I think. And then he's like, all right, what questions do you have? I was like, okay. Well, well, well played. And evidently he took questions for like four or five hours. So I know it was at least 30 in his in his keynote.

Andy Mage: And then he was like and then he was he was almost disappointed when Leighton and I were well with Leighton jumped in and we were late and I behind the scenes were DMing. And by the way, I need to give my flowers to Leighton. Like he was it was incredible, incredibly easy to work with Leighton in setting this whole thing up. Like he just he gets it. He understands the crowd. He understands the platform. It was for me as kind of a producer behind the scenes, like would we just kind of we cooked i mean we had this thing done back at that this was what mid-october and he and i were essentially done mid-september with this and just fine-tuning and that's again we understand that the thing but but with with uh behind the scenes we were or we were dming hey okay five minutes and then okay we're gonna have to get on stage and so late and jumped on stage and jay was like visibly disappointed and i was like dude listen yes we gotta we got we can't sit here like this isn't a jade stream but like we have a room for you and sure enough he just was like okay cool i'm just gonna transition over there he was at church last night we talked about it at church it was he did j things i just i love that guy yeah j things he's jade has turned into an adjective uh in things so so very very absolutely

Jeff Reed: Maybe what was your favorite moment, powerful moment? What was the thing that sticks out in each of your minds? Leighton, let's have you go first as you think about yesterday.

Leighton Seys: I think some of it was, and I love comments in the chat. I think that has become a thing that is going to make it hard for me to ever think I want to go back into the pulpit full time because I want the engagement on the spot. So the comments in the chat that are engaging, it was so interactive of people who are going, oh my, like, this is my just summarizing it. Oh my goodness. I've never thought of that. Oh my goodness. That's such a great point. And they were phrasing it however they were doing. And then I especially got excited when they just start blowing up with emojis. That's the fun thing for me. All the memes that are rolling along, engaging one another, and then side conversations that begin happening that are tangent to what's going on, but relevant to the people that are there. It really becomes free flowing of ideas and spurring one another on and encouragement that just comes off of the talk instead of where you go to a normal conference, you sit there quietly, and then you have to wait for time to go out in the hallway and, you know, decompress with everybody. It's just spot on happening in the middle of it and happening simultaneously. That's the excitement for me.

Jeff Reed: Yeah, I got to tell you, I enjoyed... Leighton, in your keynote. You know, normally when I'm on stream, you're dropping, like, you know, memes and gifs on me. And I kind of enjoyed turning the tables on you, man, and, like, blowing you up while you're trying to focus and then being incredibly stupid. I'm kidding. It's more than that.

Leighton Seys: There is a level two when you have to make a decision, is my content more important than the conversations on the side? Or am I gonna say, here's the more info, I can't go through it all, but here's leading to it. And it was just kind of like, oh yeah, the conversation on the side is where people are at. So my content's not as important as the conversation on the side.

Jeff Reed: Yeah, I have often wondered, why places like um you know church online platform that obviously has their life church they've got their platform why they're not inner um what's the word i'm looking for um building in chat into the live show as well as the online, the live physical services as well as the online services. But maybe I'm just ahead of my time. I would totally text to during services to process.

Leighton Seys: Think about the number of senior pastors that are out there, what age they are, and think about them wanting any intrusion in the middle of them bringing the message God's given them. It's a foreign thought concept. So to build something into a platform that doesn't fit their paradigm. is probably not the right way to go now i i think it's the right way to go because i think that's going to be more of what jesus was doing engaging with people and and bringing his message yeah i know we read the sermon on the mountain and it's seven chapters of uninterrupted jesus But I think he probably was interrupted along the way when he was giving those messages. And we have the glimpses of that a few times when Peter will speak up and say, hey, we didn't understand what you were saying. Can you break it down for us? So I think there was probably a lot more of that going on. We just don't have all those discussions. Yeah.

Jeff Reed: I think in time. I think in time. You're right. A new generation has got to come along. Got to kind of transfer along. But we'll get there. Andy, what was a powerful moment, takeaway? What was something that sticks in your head from yesterday?

Andy Mage: Yeah, outside of Leighton, and I think we're going to show some of Leighton's keynote at some point. But outside of that, which was really well done, and I think it really greased the groove in terms of getting people thinking. Chris, who I knew him, but I hadn't really been familiar with him. North Hill, North Hill Live. he i've been i've been dealing a lot with archetypes lately just in kind of some marketing stuff i've been doing on the side and um one of the things he kind of dropped was this paradigm this archetype of if you are a certain type of streamer like if or if this is your personality type these are the things you should be looking at and i really keyed in on that and i think uh it's something i need to sit with um it actually spurred dalton and i in dms to start talking about what archetypes we found ourselves in. Are you a big brother? Are you a host? Are you an entertainer? Are you a disciple maker? Where do you fit in those channels? And Dalton remarked to me in a DM, he said, it's a lot easier to see it in other people than in yourself. So I see you as this, what do you see me as? And it was a really cool kind of bonding moment for he and I, but also I think it really challenged me to start to define a little bit more of like what are we actually looking for you know as a church or even as a stream uh you know as ccd or as lux like what what are we are we hosts are we entertainers are we disciple makers like what is the overall thing and how can we let that filter through the organization so it's something i'm going to actually carry into our staff meeting a little bit and

Jeff Reed: and uh see how we can translate it awesome very cool with that uh you know that's part of what uh true center dr dr tim you know what motivates us we've done some other uh something he dr tim was uh more connected into the neighborhoods and and the uh the recovery conference but um yeah just i i love the that archetype model and the archetype um It helps you have something you can hold on to. It's like, hey, this is who we are. This is who we need to be. This is who we... And that model that you can grasp onto is... Now that I have it, it's easier. Barbara used to always say this. Once you can put words on it, it's much easier to replicate. If you can ever put words on it, you have no chance of multiplying that. And so I've... I love that that that option.

Leighton Seys: Hey, with just a piggyback, go piggyback on that a second, Andy, because you were talking about that and processing through it. And my brain went a little bit further and going, what if you sat down and had your team put your character sheet together for you? broke down your strength, broke down your charisma, broke down all, like, figure out what those are. Like, I was thinking, oh my goodness, how fun would that be to sit down in a team and have them build your character sheet out for you of all of those things, you know, special abilities, whatever you want to call strengths, and what you utilize.

Andy Mage: Yeah. So that's actually part of it. That and we actually have at Lux, we have our engagement pathway, and it's literally a It's built out to look like a pathway from a, you know, from a castle to a tavern. And, you know, it's very nerdy because that's our target. That's our one, if you want to, you know, if we want to use our parlance from the conference. But the interesting thing is along the way, you're going to meet people. And who are the NPCs you're going to meet? Who are the player characters you're going to meet? And I want to start defining those a little bit more. But, you know, in the first step, it's the awareness step. Okay, what are the PCs we're going to meet? And how can we define them? And how then as... disciple makers or hosts how do we then uh just like distill metrics for success and i'm not just talking views like because views and content is it's just that's a that's a game that you have to play with the algorithm but how can we actually take that behind the scenes so that's something we're actually gonna be doing probably over this month and into the next month for 2026 so cool yeah i um

Jeff Reed: I want to give a shout-out to Saddleback Sam for making an appearance in yesterday's conference. Leighton maybe nerded out a little bit. We'll get there here in a little bit. But Saddleback Sam made an appearance. Believe me, I did not wake up yesterday morning thinking, oh, we're going to talk about Saddleback Sam. I mean, we talked about Saddleback Sam with the one, but I was like, man. Man, Leighton's like actually mentioning Saddleback Sam and Saddleback Church describing it. So that was a surprise to me, all things considered. But very, you know, it's interesting to me how not a lot of, well, it's interesting to me how more and more digital missionaries, digital churches are recognizing the need and the importance of finding the one. there was i remember and actually let's go way back the the first you know 2021 the year that uh mark launched uh lux digital church mark was part of the first cohort that i ever led at stadia where we had three or four um guys that we we walked through and and at to my recollection Mark was the only one that was comfortable with the idea of a one. The other three were like, that is, that's, you know, I mean, they didn't say that's satanic, that's, but they're quoting the, you know, everything to all so that some may know they're, you know, they're taking the physical mentality as opposed to recognizing the importance of digital, of having a niche, a target. And so it was really interesting now to see four or five years later since Lux launched that now others are starting to really start to recognize the importance of that niche. And churches like Lux are very open to sharing, hey, what's the secret sauce? finding that one and building on that. Not to say that so many are just like, well, what if God brings somebody that doesn't fit into one? It's like, well, then you bring who God brings you. I don't know. It looked like you wanted to say something there, Leighton.

Leighton Seys: Oh, we were having a conversation around that post-conference because a couple of people were pushing back against it, which I love when people challenge thinking because it helps us sharpen our thinking. And I just use the illustration of if my person that I'm called to is a single mom who's struggling financially, who's living paycheck to paycheck, and I'm trying to reach out to her. I'm going to reach you as a mom or dad who has a single daughter because you're going to resonate with my care for that person. So I'm not trying to reach you. I'm trying to reach the single mom, but you as a parent are going to say, I know your heart. I know where you are. I'm attracted to where you are and your care. So I want to come along and join you and what you're doing. So by focusing in on the one, it really resonates who we are to others around us. As much as we reach that one, we begin to gather other people who might have similar cares, similar passions, or just say, I love what you're doing and I want to join you. Do you have any thoughts on that, Andy?

Jeff Reed: Andy, isn't there like some grandma that attends Lux?

Andy Mage: I feel like I heard this story. Oh, yeah. No, no. We have people that are above 60 and 65 regularly. The cool thing about that, though, is that we are unabashedly aiming for the one at Lux. And yet, when you do that, you're going to get, you know, it's a bell curve, right? Like your one is the middle of the bell curve. That's the 80%. You're going to get 10% on either side. The majority of the people are gamers, and even a couple of the grandmas, one of them, she is in my small group. She's not a grandma. She's late 50s, early 60s. She's in my small group, the small group I lead, and she unashamedly says, I know nothing about this gaming stuff, but I love the fact that young people are actually seeking Jesus on the internet. This is the best way for me to connect, and she loves opening her Bible and jumping into stuff, and she's in service, and she's... asking questions and she's doing all that things because she she resonates with the idea of this is actual community not that it's community for her but that it's actual community and it's kind of a safe place for her we have a lot of people like that uh and that's again we're unashamedly aiming for shadow slayer 329 like that is our that is our that is the distillation of who we're aiming for and yet You're going to bring all the other people. And it's like Leighton was saying, or even like Jeff, you were saying, like instead of going for all and grabbing few, why don't you go for the few and see what else you can carry along with you? It seems a lot more, you know, niching down is never a bad thing. It seems a lot more niched, which is kind of what God's calling us to do in his kingdom anyway, is to find our avenue in the kingdom because there's millions of other people out there that are trying to do the same thing.

Jeff Reed: yeah for for me it's it's so good um and it it's interesting how the the perspective is of having the one that you're not you're incapable of of reaching beyond the one but it's it's more of it whereas i look at more as a a general focus we're going in this direction, but we're ministering to whoever God brings along. And it's how that idea of the one kind of got twisted, I think, somewhere along the way. For me, the most powerful moment, and this may be self-serving. I apologize if it comes across that way. Seeing the response of the audience to the Next Steps platform, was inspiring for me. She was... I'm blanking. Andy, do you remember who did the talk yesterday? Kelly Bones. Kelly, that's right. Kelly Bones. Bones was her maiden name. I was like, that's got to be the most awesome maiden name in the history of all time. it was k bones uh tom or something for for uh last name her husband's name and uh and she was so nervous uh kelly sorry i'm gonna out you here on the show she was really nervous about coming on it's first time on discord she's like i should not literally she's like writing emails you know right before i don't know what i'm doing how do i work this platform i'm jumping on google meet doing a screen share kind of walking her along the husband's trying to help a little bit And and she's like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how this is going to work. Like she just she did not understand the audience, I guess, more than anything. Sorry, Kelly, I'm outing you. But that group of people was so excited about the resource that Jesus Film Project's Next Steps platform was and how they could utilize it. It was really cool to see the chat engagement blow up and to see her face as she's seeing the opportunity to connect. It just was really exciting to me in that one moment.

Andy Mage: Go ahead, man. And it's funny. So that was happening. And then behind the scenes, so I popped into the room with you to kind of try to help. I was only there for like 10 seconds and then bolted. And I was like, oh, man. I hope she's gonna be okay. And she popped on and she was fine. She got her sea legs under her and once she was able to start screen sharing, it was all great. But the interesting thing was I immediately got two DMs from people, one of them from Dalton again, and he was like, oh, this is mind blowing. And so he and another tab was like building out a thing for our Lux Kids engagement pathway and all this other stuff. I got a DM last night at like 7.30 as we were getting ready. He said, this app is going to be dangerous. I said, what do you mean? Like, is this going to be a bad thing? He said, no, like we're actually going to transition from some other things into using this app going forward for our Lux Kids program. And I was like...

Jeff Reed: All worth it right there, baby. It was all worth it. Yeah. You know, once again, sponsorship aside, the Next Steps platform three years ago, man, I would have been investing five, six, $7,000 in developing a custom application. And I'm not even sure that custom app would have landed the plane as well as the Next Steps platform is doing for free. nextstep.is is the website. You can check that out. But that was, to me, that was really cool because it's like, you know, a lot of times you're, oh, listen, there's all sorts of free resources we're providing. Do this, do this. And sometimes it's, you know, it's like the biblical scattering seeds. Sometimes it falls on Rocky Path and Thorny Bush. And we tried. but the the connection point on that one was so beautiful like it just kind of was it was the was the walk away for me and so well then of course layton's um which we'll get here in a little bit the super mario uh slide deck that that he shows i was like man once again know your audience go after your audience uh well played with that yeah totally in theme like the only thing that would have made it better if master chief was like running in your background I'll uh what uh I had to I had to represent Lux you know I had to I had to have my uh have my insignia up totally I feel like I want to talk about Master Chiefs um he got moved over to Netflix I don't know if you saw that it got moved his show the Halo show yeah and uh I'm I'm not yeah I was about to say I'm not totally a fan I watched like a couple episodes I was like yeah I don't I don't really care enough about this to dive into it but um anyway For some reason, I just want to talk about it right now, but maybe not.

Andy Mage: Well, as an OG Halo player, I was semi-professional, almost professional in Halo 1, Halo 2, and I have a deep love for that lore, and I watched that show with my kids, and I was like, this is garbage. They were into it because it had explosions and aliens and stuff, and I'm just sitting there thinking, this is drivel.

Jeff Reed: Somebody was telling me it's like Mr. Chief, not Master Chief.

Leighton Seys: I'm still waiting for Contra, the movie, to come out. No, that's just going to be bros. That's Tropic Thunder.

Andy Mage: That's what that is.

Jeff Reed: That's a good reference right there. Yeah, there you go. Robert Downey Jr. I don't want to get canceled. I'm not making any jokes at this point. Sorry. Andy, don't take me to bad places, man. You almost took me someplace I did not want to go. All right, hey, well, I do want to wrap up. One last question before we go. Are we doing this in 26? Are we going to do a gaming track? Are we going to do gaming something, another gaming conference? What are you all feeling right now?

Andy Mage: I mean, gun to my head, yes, because it's Discord handle, outside of a couple little Discord being Discord tweaks, which, again, it's built on 30-year-old technology. Outside of that, it performed remarkably well. And the people, the engagement in there was great. It was incredibly well received by all who attended. And the cool thing, those numbers stayed up. I mean, they weren't as high as like our digital neighborhoods or anything, but we essentially kept all of our numbers the entire time, which is just insane for a six hour conference or five hour conference. I say, yeah. And I say, we could probably blow it up next time and make it a little bit bigger.

Jeff Reed: What's your take, Layton? What are you feeling?

Leighton Seys: I'm open to that, but I had another thought of because the time that we had was not enough time for people to actually process through all of the strategies and the guidance we were trying to give, that maybe we need to make this into a cohort that people go into. And we, you know, take the material and then we process through it so they could be working through all the things that were in the conference in a group of, you know, maybe six, eight people that are going together, walking side by side, sharing what they're doing and do that for maybe six weeks.

Jeff Reed: Yeah, it's almost maybe it's both, you know, have the conference that is a big net to cast and then developing the smaller, more intimate content. to allow the applications to go. But I am, it's that intriguing. I mean, it's obvious Layton's the relationship guy and Andy's the content guy. Andy's thinking, hey, content's the win and Layton's thinking, hey, relationship, what about that? And so figuring out ways to do both, maybe. But yeah, I do think there's a lot of opportunities in gaming. I do know that there's a lot more interest Andy and I, we talked about this yesterday. It's a smaller niche than some of the other things that we had done. So less people signed up. However, a larger percentage of people showed up in those areas because that niche is more bought in uh and has more ownership and they're more tech savvy and so they're able to to really run in some areas but would love to you know uh mark lux digital church has been uh a supporter obviously with with andy involved and bernie over at reach reach con and and he's uh obviously has a history with the church digital as well and excited about some of the work he's doing with reach con i'm even thinking blessing boat i'm thinking taco like there's there's some of these fringe orgs around that you know if if we can provide an opportunity to collaborate engage and and you know create an ecosystem for all of these different organizations to thrive it might be an interesting opportunity we'll have to talk about it offline and figure it out All right, hey, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to show Leighton's talk right now from the conference. Leighton, I'll give you 20 seconds. Do you want to set up and intro your own talk? Well, I hadn't thought about doing that.

Leighton Seys: So essentially, I did training in church planting when I went to seminary and did a lot of that. And I never ended up going into church planting because my denomination said, we don't know whether you'd be successful or not. And their metrics all said you had to be successful. But as I've been thinking through some of the how do you find your one, I find it sometimes difficult to start with the one. So I wanted to start with who are you and figure out who you are because that will help narrow you down. Who you are is gonna bring who you are to the person you need to find. So that's where I started with the idea of trying to narrow down what is it I'm bringing to the person that will help me get closer to figuring out who the person is that I'm supposed to reach.

Jeff Reed: So nevermind Saddleback Sam. Who are you? Who sings that song, Who Are You? Who is that? It's the Who. Is it the Who? The Who sings Who Are You? From like CSI or whatever.

Andy Mage: Yeah, it's the CSI. But I mean, it's old. It's old school. It's like the Pinball Wizard era of the Who.

SPEAKER_02: All right.

Jeff Reed: That's all I got. I just got a copyright strike. Let's not go too deep into this. All right.

SPEAKER_02: All right, hey, so here's Who Are You? talk by Leighton.

Jeff Reed: Check it out. Thanks, everybody. And at the end of it, I'll probably come back to wrap up. See you in a second.

Andy Mage: Speaking of diverse, I want to bring my friend Flatcap back up onto the stage. Throughout this entire conference journey here at DMCon, Flatcap and I have been... kind of going hammer and tongs trying to make sure that we have stuff for you all stuff that actually matters in your digital missionary journey and you know i think a lot of people hear digital missionary and flat cap you can kind of respond to this as well people hear digital missionaries and they go oh like i have to i've got to go raise the money and i've got to go do the thing and i've got to like sacrifice all my time i've got to go to like some weird off-the-wall place in the middle of some country that i don't want to go to and what i think most people don't realize is that god is actually calling people right now just like you and i and everybody else in this room to places on the internet. And Leighton is actually one of those. Leighton, I'm sure he's going to talk a little bit about his story, but he was called to a place on the internet. That place is called Twitch. And Leighton has been building an audience and he has been growing. He's been doing things of the Bible in his own channel. and then he pops into um our tcd channels every once in a while and does a podcast and blows the door off with these with these podcasts and so uh layton thanks for being here man and uh i just i i i wanted you to kind of lead into your talk a little bit um do me a favor and introduce kind of the um the document that we're going to be filling out i'm going to shrink away ladies and gentlemen layton says

Leighton Seys: Wow, that was a pretty awesome intro there. Thanks, Andy. Yeah, I can say Andy and I had a bunch of conversations about what we would want it to be. And the thing that I wanted is for you to walk away with something tangible in your hands. And I don't mean it has to be a physical thing. Digital documents, I'm all good with. but you have something concrete that you're walking away with. So I posted it in the chat there. There's a document in Google Docs that is going to have all the questions that I'm going to ask. It's going to have all the questions that the other speakers are going to ask. Let me just actually do a screen share here a second if I can. There we go. Share that. So you should be able to see that there. So this is what the document is going to look like. There's tabs on the bottom. So here's the first talk. There's a tab on the bottom. There are my questions that are in there. There is a way to answer this. I know that some of these questions you're not going to fully be able to answer right now. We're going to give you time to work on them. So it's not just, hey, it's all theoretical. Hey, it's all in your head. You're resonating with them and you have no time to work on it. So we will give you built in time during the conference. to go and answer these questions. You can't answer one question, then focus on the next one. But today and throughout the next weeks and months, as you're filling this out, that'd be your initial answer as you're resolving this. And then the thought process is come and reevaluate this in three months, six months down the road and see. Is it still the same a year from now? Is it still the same? Have you refined who the person is, depending on the question there? And then there's some concerns or things to resolve. So as you're answering questions, maybe something pops up in your mind and you say, oh, I don't know about this. Here's my problem with trying to figure that out. So put some thoughts in there. And then just any speaker notes. like i put in notes it would like if you ever see notes that i go to a conference my wife could never uh interpret them because they have absolutely nothing to do with what the speaker said it is what my brain does so any notes that you want to take but additional thoughts would be where i'm going to put all of my stuff probably so there's there's a first talk here then you get the tab on the bottom You'll go to the next tab and then the next tab and the next tab. So that's all of your information, one document. Download it, make a copy of it, whatever you need to do. You'll have that for the whole of today as we are sharing. Okay, now let me figure out how to stop sharing screen. There we go. Just to back up a little bit on my story, because I didn't plan on being in Twitch. I did not think this is what I was going to do. I never felt like... I mean, I always loved playing games. We were asking what games. My... most of the time game of choice is assassin's creed i do have dishonored rise shadows so i'm an rpg player that's where i'm going to spend my time i'm just looking i got one two three four assassin's creed sitting right in front of me that we could pull out and play if you wanted to but i never thought that's what god was going to use me for and the thing that's interesting and i put this on one of the videos trying to promo everything was I got into drama ministry when I got into college, and that's where I met my wife. And then I thought, I'm never going to do anything with this, because I really didn't think I was going to. That's not what I was going to do. And then years later, I was feeling God's tug on my heart to do something in ministry. And I was at this conference. I had people who prayed over me. I got back. I picked up the bulletin, and it said, we're looking for someone to head up and do our drama ministry for the church. And I went, wow, this feels like an answer to what God's calling me to do. But my thought was, can I actually go do something that I think is fun and God use it? And the answer is yes. And so that was kind of the, I call it. the rejuvenation of the dream that god gave me as a kid i'm one of those weird kids at seven years old went around and told everyone i was going to be a pastor when i was seven years old so i god put that in my heart then when i was in seminary i thought i was going to be a church planter that didn't happen then i i served in several churches so along the way i kind of see detours that keep happening and one of those detours happened during covid when i was sitting home And a friend of mine I'd been watching or listening to hadn't watched him yet. Pastor Brock VR was doing ministry in VR spaces and on Twitch. So I started watching him and then I just started moving into that space. And as I was thinking about things, one of the things that we talk about a lot in church planting is who is the one person that God is calling you to reach. But before we get into that, I'm going to let me just pull up my. um there we go might as well put my title up here i mean i worked on it so that you guys could see it oh wrong one there we go so one quest one focus so when andy and i were sitting down and saying what should this conference be my thought was i want someone to be able to guide a person who has been called to do digital ministry but doesn't know how or who And I want them to be able to walk away and be able to feel like God has definitely called them. And now they have some tangible things that they can focus on and be able to do in the space. And so I don't know how many of you played Zelda when it first came out. I know I got Mario here on the screen. But overall, just thinking about old games when they came out. They didn't have multiplayer very often. They were one player. You played the hero. There was the idea to rescue the princess, whether that's Zelda or Mario. You're going to go rescue the princess. There's obstacles to overcome. You gain power for the journey, and then you finish the game. I just think sometimes there are so many options that are out there that we lose focus. I'm trying to think of what game it was, but some things have gotten so open world. that I never finish the game because I don't know what I'm doing. I'm the person that wants to do every side quest so that I have infinite power and I go against the level 50 characters when I'm finally level 100 and I just waltz through the game with ease. Well, you can't spend all of your time doing side quests or you never complete the game. You never actually go do the mission that is the purpose of the game in the first place. We can easily get distracted by everything else that is happening. So I want to help you be able to figure out what is your one quest, your one focus. But I want to go in a little bit different direction than maybe you've heard before. So I'm going to go over a couple of things and I'm going to give you time to reflect on these in your worksheets. And when we go to time on the worksheets, you can leave the stage area. If you're a verbal processor like me, if you've got people that are together in a ministry that you're together with, like there's those who are here with Lux Digital Church. If you want to go to OneChat, room and hang out there and have conversations and work on your your document that's great if you don't want to work on your document just want to talk it out that's great I don't care I'm just trying to provide the things for you to help you be able to do this so What is the basic human need that you need to meet? Now, there's different ways of talking about this. I'm not talking about hierarchy of needs here with Mavloff. I think it's Mavloff. But what people's basic needs are in life. And yeah, Maslow. Oh, there we go. Thank you, Andy. the basic need someone has. Does someone have a basic need for goodness? This is a person who looks at the world and the world is filled with evil all over the place. They watch the news, they're down-hardened by it because it's just overwhelming. They need to find goodness. So if you are a person who's bringing goodness, you are gonna reach that person that looks at the world and all they see is bad everywhere. They don't have goodness in their life. Their life is filled with all kinds of tragedy or whatever it is. You know, so that's what you'll be bringing when you bring goodness. Now, some people need to have truth brought to them. They don't know there's so many voices out there. There's the flat earthers on one side who are telling you that you need to believe this, and there's the regular people looking at a globe and saying it's obvious, and they really are seeking truth because it's so noisy out there, and they need someone to speak truth to them of what's going on. Or perhaps they need freedom. Like, they grew up in a church that was rigid and defined and you had no ability to do anything. Everything was rules and they haven't found freedom in Christ. And so what you can bring to them is freedom and they're longing for it. They've been in chains of bondage to do's and don'ts. and and they need freedom and maybe that's what you bring i'm not going to go through all of these in in that kind of detail but you begin to to see how these things are things that people need uh there's a lot of people that i run into in twitch that need a place to belong um yeah felt needs versus real needs exactly exactly and it can be both a felt and a real need so they need a place to belong A lot of people need a place to belong. Hope is another thing that people need. Life at times can feel hopeless. They don't know that tomorrow is going to be better than today. So I'm tipping my hand here. Hope is one of the things. And I have a buddy that's down the road. I met at a conference, which is funny. I went to Orlando to meet somebody that's a half an hour away from me. He lives in inner city and he calls himself a hope dealer. That is what his mission is, is to bring hope to people. Some people need confidence. They don't believe that what they have to say is valuable and they need other people to believe in them and to come behind them. Connection. I mean, online, people are looking for connection all over the place. They're looking for a place that will accept them. And this isn't saying accept them for their doing sin and they want people to, you know, say it's okay. Like, hey, I'm having an affair with my wife and I need to find people who agree with me that that's a cool thing to do. No, no, not that kind of thing. That, hey,

Jeff Reed: Like me.

Leighton Seys: I'm a little weird. I got hats and I got fish. And that's who I am. You need to know that. And I'm not changing that. But I want you to accept me because I wear all these hats all the time. And I have a few of them. So it's about I'm not trying to change you. I am going to embrace you for who you are. Joy. A lot of people do not have things to celebrate in their life. Can you bring them something to be able to celebrate? Support. This can actually be physical support. It can be financial support. It can be emotional support. What is it that somebody needs? And how can you bring that to them? Significance. A lot of people have no place where they're significant. They feel like they are a nobody. And when they find a place that they can contribute, they can find significance. And some people need revelation. They need someone to speak into them and to bring something new. So, My question is, what basic human need do you meet? So I am going to bring a certain approach to things. So rather than trying to figure out who I'm going to reach first, I want you to think about who it is that you. are going to be reaching so I'm seeing a few people typing in the chat make sure you make a copy of this for yourself so you can fully access that and we won't be all sharing the same one when you open that up or download it and then you'll have it for yourself And I would say two. There's probably top two. Actually, as I think about it, what I do on stream is two things, and what I do in Discord is two different things, but that's okay. So what I'm bringing to people that they find first, and then the needs I'm meeting later. So think about those, and you'll have more time to look at that in just a little bit. Now, this is connected off of crew, and we'll talk about crew later on of their audience map. And so I want to unpack this in a different way than they're using it. But I might feel called to a certain group of people, and I'm comfortable addressing people who are going to be in a relationship with Jesus in one of these spaces. So maybe they're hostile to the gospel. You know, the trolls that are showing up. Maybe you feel good and able to be an evangelist and confront people that are going to argue with you, that are going to say things about Jesus. Maybe that's where you are. So is that where you are? You're able to go to hostile people? Then that's going to help you figure out those things. Are you going to people who are uninterested? It's a little bit harder to get people who are uninterested. So, for instance, you're just playing... FPS game, you're shooting some people, and then you're saying, hey, I know you probably didn't come here to talk about Jesus, but let me tell you about my Jesus. Maybe that's the group that you're called to, some people that are uninterested. And believe it or not, there are people that are unaware. They just have no idea. I mean, they know, they've heard about Jesus, they've never studied him, they live in a country where maybe they didn't grow up around Christians, they just don't have any idea, and they're completely unaware. So in this relationship with Jesus, where are the people that you want to reach? Are they open? They're open to the gospel. They just haven't had anyone tell them about it. Dual, this would be, well, I know about Jesus, but I also have another religion, and I'm just trying to put every piece together that I can. So I'm going to put anything together that works. Or maybe they're unclear. They watch the different people on television, and they hear different things, and they don't understand the difference between a Catholic, a Baptist, a Methodist, a Mormon. They just have no idea. All these people say Jesus, but I don't really understand anything about it. And some of us might be looking for those people that are seekers. They're out there. They're looking for Jesus. They want to know more about him. And so they're already going towards Jesus. Or maybe you're called to people who are already professing Jesus. So maybe at some point in their life, they said the sinner's prayer or they grew up in church. They know about Jesus. They have a relationship and they have no activity. So they might be professing. Maybe they are the ones that go to Christmas and Easter service, but they're not doing more. Maybe you're called to those. Or maybe you're called to someone who's growing. They're already on the path. They just need a mentor to come alongside and disciple them. Maybe somebody's grounded in the word, but they're not growing. They're far away. They're established, but they don't know what to do. Or maybe they're fully engaged. I mean, maybe you're called to the people that are already fully engaged. So you would be called to take a discipleship group and help them be able to move into leadership in some way. And then there's those who are called to multiply other people. So it's taking Christians, helping them go to the next level of something that they are going to be working on and doing. My question is for you to figure out these two things, because I want to start with you first. One of the things that I always struggle with, I'm trying to find that person out there to start with. My Saddleback Sam, if you know what that reference is, Saddleback Church, did everything based on one person that they identified. But I think you have to figure out who you are first. So are you interested in people that have no relationship with Jesus? Are you interested in people that already have a relationship with Jesus? Are you interested with people that are wherever they are. And then the other one was the, what basic need do you have? So I'm going to stay here, but I'm going to invite all of you to go take, how much time do we have, Andy? Five, 10 minutes. Let's get a timer. Five-ish, yeah. Go take like five minutes. You can go jump into another chat, and you can go over to any one of the other voice channels that's open if you want to chat with other people. Otherwise, just spend some time in reflection thinking about... What those are. Yeah, Andy, thanks for posting that again. So start filling it out, answering those questions. What basic human need do you meet and what relationship with Jesus do you want to reach? And if you have questions, you want to stay here, you can post those in the chat. If you go off to the other ones, we will meet back here at 1135. So be back here at 1135. I'll stay here and I'll just answer any questions you have in the chat. All right. Seeing some really good stuff in the chat. Hope that was enough time to think through some of it and some really good questions around things. So one of them was, how do I know who it is that I might be called to? Well, let me just ask this. If I have an engagement with someone who's a troll who comes in and they're hostile in my stream or someone else's stream, do I get excited about the ability to have a conversation about Jesus with them? to engage them, to bring them from a point of hostility to neutrality, if you will, then that might be the person you're called to. So it's kind of like that, oh, I get really excited when this kind of a person shows up, someone of another faith who's uninterested in Christianity. Do I get excited when somebody is open, when they come in and they're like, hey, I like what you're doing. You said something about Jesus. I'd like to know more. Or someone who is already professing faith, but they're not active. Yeah, I'm a Christian. Well, can you really define what that is? So it's somewhat, I think, you get excited about working with that person, talking with that person is going to be part of it. There is also some ways where God may call you to people that you don't get excited about. He might put you in places. So it's not that you... only reach one person but it's like here's where i'm going to be engaging or spending my time because god keeps bringing that kind of person in front of me and then i enjoy that so i'm going to be uh keep doing that uh dr hill said it sort of goes beyond what relationship with jesus do i want to reach and what relationship do i feel god is calling me to reach yeah and i and i think those will go both in hand in hand that I may be called to it and I may also enjoy that as well. And like it or not, I really feel God is calling me into a space where there will definitely be a bit more hostility and uninterested, unclear. Yes. And I think going into digital spaces is definitely one of those places that's going to do that. Let's see if there's anything else. Okay. Okay. And again, I'm trying to just help you figure this out. And you can totally say this doesn't work for you. This piece doesn't work. Maybe the part on finding the basic human need resonates with you more of I'm going to focus on goodness. That's what I bring. I'm going to focus on belonging. That's the people I'm going to. So one of these might be the primary. One of these might be the secondary. But hopefully it's helping you to narrow into one specific person that you're going to reach. I've focused in on one specific style of hat that I'm going to wear. Hats are great. I've always loved hats. What's really weird is I've tried to figure out why I've always loved hats, and this might sound strange, but I have a vivid memory of a first funeral I went to. One of my great uncles is in the casket, and he has a painter's cap on that is white with red polka dots. And that's what he always wore. And I thought that was the coolest thing. So, you know, I strived to try to find the style and the hat that I liked the most and made the most connection with. And now that is what I focus on. I wear other hats, but they don't fit exactly the same way as everything else that I'm going to do. So that's what some of these things are going to be about. And maybe they resonate more with you and maybe others don't. But One of the other things that you want to find is the one person you're reaching, because if I'm trying to play... 45 different games, play a different game every day of the month, and then throw some extras in there on top, I'm probably not going to reach a lot of people because nobody knows what I'm gonna be doing. So I wanna be as specific as I can. Here's where I struggle, is trying to narrow that down. What is the age? So this is what Saddleback Sam was. Saddleback Sam was between 30s and 40s, college educated, lived in the suburbs, worked in tech or business, busy, driven, and success-oriented, over-scheduled, stressed, skeptical of organized religion, spiritually curious, but unchurched, wanted practical answers to life's problem, not religious tradition. also if i had actually would be the opposite would be red polka dots not white but i love that image that's so cool we're reaching max capacity might make stage limit fifty to seventy five enough it's just about yeah i don't know we'll have to figure that out any delta you'll be up for that It'll automatically adjust up to 1,000. Super cool. Didn't know that. All right, so this is what they did. Now, the more specific you can get, the easier it is when you're going to stream and make a decision to say, hey, or if you're doing something else, if it's not gaming, but we're mostly talking about gaming here, but it can be applied to other places. Is this person going to be a stay-at-home dad that I'm trying to reach? Is this person going to be a gamer girl that I'm trying to reach? Is this person, what age are they going to be? So one of the things to answer are those demographic questions. And I will give you copies of these slides so you can have all of them, but you know what demographics are. So I don't have all these listed in the document, but how old is your ideal viewer? What is their gender? Where do they live? And it could be country. It could be city. It could be suburb. It could be rural. Maybe you know specifically. Maybe you're just more broad to start with. And as you can keep refining it and getting more narrow, it's better. Oh, North Hill Live, exactly, language. What is their level of education? What is their income range? What is their profession or job? Are they single, married, or have kids? so those are all going to be things that you can solve now maybe as you're going and answering these you don't know all of them but answer the ones that you can when we when we give you time to go and answer your demographic questions and just start with ones that you you're going to know and then some psychological questions What do they believe about the world? What do they believe about themselves? Do they believe the world is getting better? Do they believe the world is terrible? What do they believe about themselves? Are they always self-conscious? Are they confident? What are the things that they are going to have in mind? So let's see. How does income affect how you talk to people? If I'm talking to someone... who is struggling paycheck to paycheck or unemployed, what I might bring to them and how I approach them might be different than if I'm called to reach somebody that has five cars in their garage. So I might be talking to them differently. The person who has five cars in their garage may have strived after, been really successful, but have no hope because everything seems fleeting and they're going to leave everything that they have to some incompetent kids, and they just think this is worthless. I strived all of my life to do this, and now it doesn't make any difference. Whereas someone who is struggling paycheck to paycheck might be coming from a place of, the world is against me. No matter what I do, I can't ever get ahead. Why does God seem to be against me? maybe not specific income level, but stage of how they're doing things might make a difference to who you're called to and how you would approach them. So great question. Yeah, if you're playing the latest and greatest game all the time, you probably won't reach someone with low income who's still playing retro stuff, yeah. And I appreciate the questions. And as I'm able to, I'll stop and answer those because those are more vital than me getting through my stuff. That's what I believe. Your questions are more vital to you than for me to just be able to go to my next slide. So what do people do spending their free time? Most of us are probably going to be putting gaming on here, but maybe you're trying to reach a specific group that also has another thing that you love to do. Like I love cycling. So I started cycling and streaming my cycling. So maybe that's part of what I'm going to do is reach people that love doing that. What social media platforms or websites do they do most? A lot of us are here on Twitch, but maybe you're reaching people that are going over to kick or they're another place or they just watch YouTube videos of good content. So maybe that's where they are. What brands do they love and why? like maybe their Xbox, maybe their PlayStation, maybe their Nintendo. Why is that? Where is their loyalty? How does that make a difference of you reaching them? And how do they make decisions? Do they use logic? Do they use emotion? Are they impulsive? Now, you might not be able to answer all of these questions. I'm just giving you a variety of ways to be able to address how do you think through, I know I'm called to reach that person. Um... Asking questions that affect how a tier two question might be answered. This approach affects how you might define a missing successful interaction. Absolutely, Hector. Yes. Yeah, I think the other thing is what genre do you play? Yeah, are you FPS or RPG? I absolutely think, or retro gamer. Yes. All right. Pain points. What are the challenges or the pains that someone has in their life? What keeps them up at night? You know, is it going back to the person with finances or is it finding meaning in life? Is it their kids? Is it work? Is it? marriage where is it what are their pain points what problems are they actively trying to solve and if you can help solve that for instance if you are in a community and people are coming in that are trying to solve problems with raising their kids and you're able to do a a community thing around helping out kids and having a even if it's uh doing a uh streamer party, I'm trying, a watch party, I'm trying to think of the right name, a watch party with kids in your Discord or in some other community, you're addressing a felt need that they might be having. What have they tried already that hasn't worked? What do they complain about most often in this area? So it might be the person comes into your stream regularly and they always bring up the same topic. I'm always struggling with health. I'm always struggling with health. Or my mom's always struggling with health. Or I'm always getting bullied at school. Whatever it is that they're doing, how can you help them with those pain points? What fears or insecurities might be holding them back? All different ways of asking that. You might not be able to answer all of these. It's just different ways to try to answer those questions of getting you closer to knowing, ah, here's the kind of person that I'm going to run into. And also don't think that if I narrow it down to one person, that means I'll only reach one person. The narrower you get, you actually end up reaching more people who resonate with what you are trying to do for that one person. Oh, yes. Also, what platform meeting on social VR, for example, and very different while watching Let's Plays while doing stuff. Yeah, absolutely. If you are in VR, that is another place to be able to bring in platforms to all of that. Health is huge. Money, depression. Yes. How do you stay away from people becoming projects? Oh, that's an interesting question. In some ways, there is a piece at which you need to have healthy boundaries in ministry altogether. So for me as a pastor, when I am in person, I may have my phone available at all hours of the day. If someone is regularly calling me only when I'm in bed at night or only at other times, then I might need to have a conversation with them about this wasn't an emergency. Middle of the night really is only for emergencies. So I think in some of those ways, if someone is becoming a project, it may be cool. That can even be an okay thing if they are. uh one of the things we often had in one place that i live is we would have people that would come in every single year and ask for assistance and we knew in 12 months we would see them coming back and asking for assistance and we had to be okay with that to say this person is where they are we're going to meet them wherever they are for as long as we can but one of the other things and this would go to recovery ministry uh and and compassion fatigue on some levels so that's stuff that we covered on another conference but i do want to address that in some ways is you need to have boundaries around yourself and your community so that someone does not take too much away from you so i don't know if that makes sense if that's answering your question but i think it's okay for someone to be a project on some level as long as you didn't seek them out to say i'm gonna fix them when someone comes to you with needs and you keep trying to help their needs if it's too much for you bring in other people uh bring in the community hand them off to someone else refer them beyond so when for instance if i had someone that came in for marriage counseling i'd usually meet with a couple three times i might meet with him or her three times after that You need to go and have someone who has more skills and more level than I do to deal with it. So when someone becomes a project, it's an assessment of, is this a person that's just supposed to hang out with me? And it's going to be this ongoing, I'm going to minister to them for a long time, or do they have needs beyond what I can do and I can pass them on? Yeah, definitely need to have the Holy Spirit. Absolutely. Just catching up on if there's anything in chat. Yeah, yeah, in Discord. Well, that's another thing I do, for instance, too, is if someone's in the middle of a crisis, I will let them know you can DM me at any time. However, I won't see the DM until I wake up in the morning my time. So don't feel I'm ignoring you. Don't feel I'm putting you aside. Those are the boundaries that I've had is I'm not going to check my messages while I'm sleeping. I'm going to be available for you as soon as I'm awake and I will respond as soon as I see your message. So there's where I've put some of those boundaries. And when you get global, some of that needs to be the case because for them, three in the afternoon might be three in the morning for you and they're just thinking about it and they don't want to spend the next six hours saying, why haven't you called me or messaged back? So having some of those things are a good way to... be able to be thinking about that, and several people talking about the Holy Spirit. Absolutely, in all of this, the Holy Spirit is absolutely a part of it. Now, maybe you have people that you're going to reach that pain points isn't the main thing for you. Maybe it's goals and aspirations. What is their ultimate dream or goal? Maybe their dream is to be a full-time streamer, and you are going to reach people that that's their goal. Maybe... it's somewhat or what outcome would make them feel successful maybe they're going to college and you're going to help them or you're going to be walking alongside of them as they do that or maybe it's their parenting and what they'd really like is a better relationship with their ex or something along those lines and how to how to parent co-parent when you're not in a same household with the person who's the other parent So it could be any kind of these things that you would think of. And what would they want to achieve in one to five years from now? Or who do they admire and look up to? So there's a ton of different ways to approach this. You can go demographics, you can go psychological, you can go pain points or challenges, and you can go goals or aspirations to be able to reach people. So I'm going to give you just five minutes if you want time to go and fill out those questions while you're thinking about it, while you still have fresh. in your mind and and that and then if there's any questions after that um we'll answer those so uh you know what actually i'm gonna cut a little short how about we come back i'll give you three minutes i told you five i'll give you three i know you won't get through all of them uh let's come back at 11 55. i'll stay here if you want to go like i said you're free to join in another room and hang out and answer those and if you have questions uh just type those in chat

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Leighton Seys: All right, yeah, I will have all those questions later on. I knew when I went through all of those that we would be pressed for time. You wouldn't be able to answer all of those, but I appreciate it. I will put a link. I'll share the doc. You'll be able to get that. You'll be able to download those. You'll have all those questions so you can keep working on that as we go forward. Ideally, we would have lots of time to spend all of it doing here, but we just want to give you a flavor of it, begin thinking that way, and then move into some other things. Give me more screens on a printer. Yeah. Laptop.

Andy Mage: Yeah.

Leighton Seys: I wish I could put them all up there, but it doesn't work that way. Okay. I think that's it for what I have. Thank you for hanging out with me. Loved all of your questions and what you were bringing. And we'll be continuing this discussion as we go forward.

Andy Mage: Flat cap. Thanks, man. Can we get some fives and chat from Mr. Flat cap dapper pastor over there? I think that the coolest thing that happens when you start to think about your one, we did. We did this exercise a couple of years ago at our very first Megazord conference. And then we did it subsequently at last year's... No, the first year you were at us at Nerd Culture Ministry Summit. We did the same thing. And an interesting thing happens when you actually start to define your one. You actually start to learn how to put the blinders on. There's an old Japanese proverb that I'm a runner and I'm a fitness guy and all that, as well as a gamer. And One of the things that a lot of personal trainers and a lot of people will say, it's an old Japanese proverb. It says, man who chased two rabbits end up with none, but man who chased one rabbit end up with good meal. And the idea behind that is not that we're going to be like dining and feasting on the people that we're trying to serve, but instead we will catch the goal that we are chasing if we narrow it down.

SPEAKER_02: All right, hey everyone. Man who feasts on rabbits. Man who feasts on rabbits. Man who... Andy, what was that again? That was a little weird. I'm just saying. Hey, Jeff here, wrapping up. This is live, Jeff, as opposed to semi-live, Jeff, as you've been watching and in the replay. Hey, listen, and thank you, Leighton Andy, for all the work you put into making the... Digital Missionary Gaming Summit happened. An incredible experience. Excited about new relationships, new connections, and even extending this on through cohorts and other things in the days and weeks and months to come. Hey, excited what we did announce, and we're going to get more into this in the stream next week. The next Digital Missionary Summit is going to be May 12th and 13th, 2026. A two-day summit. I'm going to talk more about that in the stream next week. I'm actually out of town. I'll be in Denver. Hey, Denver people, love me some Colorado. I'm going to be in Denver. Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of next week. So Thursday, I'll be doing a stream pretty much same time, I think. I don't know what time. Check in TCD's fam on Discord or WhatsApp to stay up to date with what's going on. But at this point, I'm going to land a plane. Thank you, Andy. Thank you, Leighton. Thank you, everybody who's hung out with me. for the stream today, but we're going to close. So for Andy, for Leighton, and for Untold Gamers, and even Saddleback Sam, this is Jeff at The Church Digital. Thanks for hanging out today, and we'll see you next week on this show. Y'all have a good one.