Embracing Authenticity: A Journey Through Streaming and Community Connection

Control-Alt-Redeem is for anyone called to ministry in the digital frontier. Gamers, streamers, and everyday believers navigating life online. Each episode equips you to live on mission and the real stories of lives being changed. Reset your expectations, reframe your mission, and redeem the space you're already in. This is where digital ministry gets practical, creative, grounded, and hopeful.

One episode at a time. Grandpa always coming in hot with the comments. Yep, yep. I love him for it, though.

It is great to know the character of the people so that they are genuine. When they show up, you know exactly who they are. So Grandpa Blues, welcome in. Welcome in. This is Control-Alt-Redeem, a podcast where we are trying to reset the culture and redeem the space, specifically in Twitch. So I have a good friend of mine, Will Pogg, is going to be guest on the show today. So welcome in, Will Pogg.

Hey, it's great to be here, man. It's great to be here. I'm kind of nervous. Like, yeah, you have some fantastic people over here, and then you just add me, so...

I feel like I'm the one that shouldn't be here half the time, honestly. I'm just like... I like there's no matter, like I'm, I'm coming up on five-year affiliate anniversary next week. And there's still this whole level of, I still feel a little bit like I'm an imposter in the space because I'm not doing what 90% of everyone else in this, in this space is doing. But I also, I'm not going to try to be anything but who I am. And so I'm not going to be trying to copy. I mean, I don't know if you, I don't think you can see it, but back here, there's a sewing machine, and I've done a couple of sewing podcasts. I mean, who's doing sewing podcasts and Bible reading? And I've done cooking streams, and I've done bicycle riding streams. Oh, I do game once in a while. there there is that too so it's it's nice yeah yeah yeah it's just fun to to be creative and to be in the space and to to bring people something a little different than they may uh normally be having and then the podcast to me oh the podcast is just so much fun like the podcast is not even a year old yet uh we're getting close we're getting close i need to go back and check my vods and figure out what was the date of the first podcast that happened uh i know we're close to that but it's great to bring friends on some i've met in person like you we got to hang out at reach conference yeah and Yeah, you did stay in the Airbnb with me for one night, and then you moved on. It would have been great if you'd have been hanging out the whole time. I know. We had lots of conversations there, getting to know you better and more richly.

Grandpa was just followed.

Hey, thank you for the follow. Why don't you just kind of share a few things about yourself?

Sorry, we're talking over here. Yeah, at the beginning of this whole streaming thing, one of my first supporters in the channel, I think every content creator will go through the whole – imposter syndrome thing. And it's always a surprise that people will, you know, come and watch and hang out and chat. And so, like, I got a sub from this guy and I was like, oh, man, I really appreciate it. I didn't know what to do because it was just like, it's like, why? Why would somebody, you know, do that? And they said, you know, as long as you... stay you know keep being your genuine self this this is the kind of content that i like to watch you know what i'm saying and so um and so so yeah to your point of just being yourself and and uh and and being as genuine as as as you can you know uh is is uh is a key thing so um in this space

grandpa blues was uh noticing that you don't have me uh on camera on your your side wait let's see i uh you don't you don't have to be showing the uh virtual cam scene you've got another scene and then let me the three dots or the paper clip will be where you copy my source

Yeah, I'm copying your source right now, and then I'm creating another source. Yeah. Let's see.

Yeah, that way Grandpa could see me, although he just did come over and follow me, so I don't know if he opened up a separate window.

Let's see. Do this. It's the browser source.

Yeah, if you hit the three buttons. I don't know. People call that a hamburger sometimes when it's three slots. There we go.

Mm-hmm.

Learning more about Will is pog. Absolutely.

Yeah, some say I put the pog in poggers. There you go. Let's see.

Hey, Supersonic Saved by Grace. Good to see you, friend. He was also at the Airbnb hanging out with us.

right so i think i think okay so i've got your camera in sweet and then i add this is new to me chat this is all new to me uh

Hey, there we go. Church is now see you on wills. Awesome. Awesome.

Okay.

So, okay. Those, those that do not know, I should, I guess I should introduce myself a little bit too, because yes, it says the church digital. I am flat cap dapper pastor. So I have been a streamer myself. The church digital is a separate. uh community on some level so the church digital is a missionary a digital missionary sending agency and we started the twitch stream because we had a bunch of gamers including myself and chino mage and mark lutz from uh lux digital church hanging out with the church digital and if you're if you remember if you're around about four or five years ago there was also pastor brock vr and so we did a podcast takeover for the church digital and we decided we need to put the podcast on twitch if we're going to have all these gamers that are going to come on the podcast so that was on the original podcast they came on so it might have been around this time last year that They said, hey, we've got the camera, or sorry, your camera just moved on me. I'll fix that in a minute. We have the channels still up. Do you want to do something with the channel? And so some brainstorming, and I was like, yeah, how about I do a podcast on the channel? and so that's that's really like the channels there and so i took that to affiliate and uh beyond now and it's it's been fun doing the podcast so all right yeah yeah up on your channel okay now we're all good i do yeah i have i have everything up oh i think i think i know what i did wrong here uh see I have been in your stream. You got rated into not too long ago. All right. I think I saw your name, Grandpa. So, yeah, you see me in both places. There we go. A spot of tea. So, Supersonic, since we're killing time here, I'll go ahead and do this. So this is on my other channel. I don't have, you know what? Supersonic, DM me. I need to think about commands for this channel that I can put in there. I got to think through some of those. But a spot of tea, a spot of tea. You know what? I actually have two different ones. So I'll do this is my English breakfast from this morning when you did a spot of tea. So I'm going to grab my second one. This one here is Blueberry Merlot. So a Blueberry Merlot. I'm being all fancy.

Blueberry Merlot. Interesting.

Yeah, it's not wine, but they're stealing the wine name from it. I think I'm finally getting it here. Grandpa, I don't want a lot of commands, but I might want some like redeems kind of commands. Because on my other channel, I've got a redeem for stickers. So it's more a matter of I need to think through some things. No, I don't want things to be interrupting the podcast so much, but I want stuff to reward people who are coming and hanging out with the podcast all the time. So that's kind of what I want to think through.

All right. We good to go, Will? I think after a lot of trial and error and doing what I do the worst of, which is multitasking, I think we're good. Okay. Okay.

Super. Okay. If anything else comes up, you know, you just, you know, in the chat, let us know. Let us know if we need to fix something. All right. And until chat at times, we're going to ignore you because we're going to be chatting. And if all of a sudden chat blows up, we're going to miss stuff. We're not going to necessarily always go back and talk about everything. But. We do want to honor you, and we do want you included in all of this because we're on Twitch. So we're not going to diss the culture and say, no, no, no, we're having a private conversation in public. We just need a good recording. We're not. We're here because this is interactive.

A private conversation in public.

Well, I've seen it happen. I don't know if you have. I've seen – I've gone to channels, and myself and other people are trying to chat, and it's like they just totally ignore chat whatsoever. I'm like, why are you on Twitch then? Just go stream on another platform.

Right, right, exactly, exactly, exactly. Awesome, awesome. Okay, I get overstimulated when I have to do things live.

So I'm glad it's over. I can respect that. Well, the thing is, is things that I've fixed before, I'm pretty confident in fixing them live on stream. When it's like, well, this morning when my mic wasn't working, it's like, I fixed it so it worked. It bothered me, but I couldn't fix it live. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, there's a difference of what you can do when you're live. And it's like my comfort zone bumps up really quick. Nope, I can't. Oh, man, doing that and maintain things. But other stuff's like, oh, yeah, I'd fix that. No, I move it like moving and adjusting somebody's camera. No big deal. I've done that live lots of times now.

I feel like my IQ drops when there's any kind of technological issues on the stream. It's just like my IQ just drops and I just don't know what to do.

oh that's yeah it's it's interesting how how you can develop skills and those skills stay within a wheelhouse that something that's just outside of it no no that's that's just too much brain power like maybe a different example is how you can drive somewhere that you've driven a thousand times and not pay attention the entire time you're driving because you are basically on autopilot of driving and your brain does not need you to actively be participating in the driving, it can be processing other things. So when you have to be 100% focused, yeah, it takes away from the other things that you can't autopilot.

It's so weird, yeah. Many times you just hop on a car and you blink, you're home, and when you actually catch yourself thinking about it, it's like, I don't remember my way home. I don't remember... like you know doing anything to get home so yeah yeah it's wild it's wild but uh supersonic was asking okay so everything if you were are going to be at reach uh this year God willing, yes. I mean I've got my tickets, and I am most definitely planning on being there for this year for sure. I mean it was – this year's reach was my first reach and reach conference, and it was a blessing. It was a blessing in many, many ways. It's – Obviously, I got the gaming PC from the game show. The price is nice, but that wasn't even the biggest blessing I felt in the whole conference. It was this renewed excitement for the space. It was this renewed sort of... i don't know uh i wouldn't say calling but just just just this you know this renewed passion to stream and do it more consistently and and all that and so and obviously getting to see meet you and and and other people in person see people that i've already seen irl that i met through twitch um that was just in so fellowship fellowship being together and and worshiping it was just it was just awesome everything was awesome and so so yeah i'll be eternally grateful i'm eternally grateful for for each and um i i hope to participate in um in this one in in future ones i mean i preemptively got my ticket so i kind of uh uh you know visualize myself being there so

We can come back a little bit later and talk more details about Reach and stuff there. But I do like to kind of, no matter who it is, as we start to get into the conversation, is to say, how did you get started on Twitch? Like were you started by, hey, I knew what this was. I wanted to go watch gaming content. And then or was it because some people like, nope, I went live first. I didn't really know what it was and I went live. So I like to hear that whole story, no matter how long ago it was, of your journey of exposure to Twitch to being a streamer on Twitch. Like so any side detours along the way that happened. I love hearing all of that.

Yeah, it's so funny. What got me onto Twitch is not what keeps me on Twitch nowadays, which is really interesting. It happened around, I don't know, 2018. I had no idea Twitch even existed before 2018. I didn't know it existed. I didn't know this whole world existed before 2018. And we were – my brothers and I played Fortnite. um often you know with with each other and it's just you know fortnight obviously was blowing up at that time was just you know everywhere everybody uh playing it and so you know you try to get better you try to you know do do all that and then my little brother mentioned to me he's like man i saw this guy play fortnight he's like the best fortnight player in the world and i was just like wow okay who you know who is it and it was this blue haired hyper crazy loud guy and it was ninja and ninja um started watching him and i was just like whoa this guy is amazing you know this is before like fortnite competitions and tournaments and things like that and um And I was like, this guy's amazing. And I loved the chat interaction. I loved the, you know, watching the guy play games live. And from the first stream I watched, I was hooked. I was hooked on Twitch, you know. And watching people play video games. For some reason, that just, you know, it was great for me. I loved it. And so I started watching Ninja. And it's funny because the type of content that Ninja produces, produced back in the day and still produces now, is not the type of content that I necessarily follow much of today. but i still watch ninja yeah i'm still grateful for ninja because he introduced me to twitch essentially and and um and it was uh it was great and so started you know searching for you know christian content creators out there and and and uh obviously found uh pastor susie was my first you know uh uh christian content creator that i that I came across when I started diving deeper into, um, to stream, uh, to Twitch, uh, specifically live content and things like that. And that was such a blessing. He still is a blessing. I'm still a sub. I'm, I'm a, I'm a, like a 80 plus month sub on, on, on pastor Susie channel, you know? And so, uh, uh, it was, it was kind of like a day one. I like this guy. I want to support him. And, and so, um, But yeah, so that's what got me into Twitch. And now I'm terminally online, so I'm constantly on Twitch, and I love it. Twitch and the communities that I started becoming a part of, Pastor Susie's, and then from Ninja, I started watching Tim the Tapman a lot. And that guy, I mean, I've cried, laughed so, so much watching Tim the Tapman. and so just being part of these communities and and supporting these streamers that whole this whole environment of just you know being part of these communities um was was something that i i felt i didn't know but i i needed at the time you know what i'm saying i really needed that at the time and uh I don't think I'll ever leave Twitch unless Twitch just disappears because I'll be eternally grateful because Twitch has gotten me through some of the toughest moments of my life. So, yeah. That's sort of how I was introduced to Twitch. And then I found out it's been 15-plus years that these live streamers have been doing this since Justin.TV. Right, right. And I was just like, whoa, what the heck? This thing is for real, you know? So yeah, that's what got me into Twitch.

Yeah. Well, I don't know if Pastor Susie is the OG or the original openly Christian, Christian forward streamer, but he certainly is one of those who pioneered in the space. And I need to get him on the podcast at some point. But yeah, yeah, yeah. He really on some.

He's a fellow Brazilian. oh that's right yeah so he's he is he yeah he is brazilian and so i think that's that's why that's what you know connected me to him um because i found out you know after being there a while that he was brazilian and so i just i just kind of chatted in portuguese you know one time in in his chat and uh and he responded in portuguese i'm like oh bro this is awesome so so yeah yeah he's he's he's brazilian That is cool.

I hadn't thought about doing the chat there in Portuguese. He could be doing that while speaking in English to everybody else. The two of you can have your own side conversation that nobody would want to. I know. That would be fun. That would definitely be a fun thing to do. But, you know, back when he started, there weren't tags for Christians. And I think as we have seen the tags, I don't know if this has been your experience, but I was one of those that was out there seeking. And after I got on finding other Christians in the space, I would do searches and I'd put pastor. I'd do searches and I'd put church. I'd do searches trying to find. others who were out there who might be and trying to network and connect, now that we have that tag, it's a whole lot easier for the networking to take place. And I know Pastor Susie was trying to push some more things within Twitch to make it more family-friendly, but more around what Christians could do in this space and get more recognition. I hope his efforts in some ways pay off eventually. And I know not everyone agrees with him, but everyone doesn't need to do things the same way.

yeah yeah i think i think just just a you know a part of having a diverse platform is representations of of all sides and you know as long as you're not hurting humans you should be represented you know wherever you're you're uh wherever you are so so yeah his efforts in having christian representation on on twitch have been awesome Yeah, he's doing a lot more than anybody for that, I believe. You know what I'm saying? Of course, there are Christian content creators that do a fantastic job on the platform. But as far as being an ambassador to produce that representation on Twitch actively, nobody's doing it like him. So it's pretty cool. Pretty cool.

Definitely. I think there's something interesting, too. I was just thinking about this. In some realms of life, the Christian community wants to create its own and not participate with the rest of the world. Maybe it started when I was younger of all of a sudden we have to have our own music, Christian music, because we can't have rock and roll because it's not of Christ. You could have gospel over there in the country western part, and you might have had some other genres, but it's like the whole Christian music industry has created its own separate. The whole Christian movie industry has created its own second. I don't want there to be a Christian twitch. I want to be in Twitch. I want to be in the world, but not of the world. Because if all of a sudden all the Christians, and this wasn't the plan to talk about this, but as we're talking and talking about Pastor Susie, it's just got me thinking around that. We don't need to create a Christian Twitch so Christian gamers can go on their own platform. No. We need to be Christians on the platform where gamers hang out. Because if I have to have a separate platform for someone who is an atheist or a Muslim or something else to come over and watch me do whatever I'm doing gaming-wise, they won't go over there. And so now I've created a barrier to the gospel for them.

Yeah, and I loved – I believe it was when you had the talk with Slife last week. I mean it really hit me. It was like we hear – we read the Bible about being in the world but not of the world, and we focus so much on not being of the world that we try to remove ourselves from the world, right? Yeah. there's that that that that doesn't make sense you know what i'm saying that doesn't make sense and and uh yeah i don't want a christian twitch um i don't want a christian streaming platform you know what i'm saying it's it's it's it doesn't make that doesn't make sense to me uh i i think that's just part of one of the sad parts of you know church culture and in a way we isolate ourselves we try to create these barriers uh around us and and um And by doing so, we create barriers of entry to even be part of our communities and even be part of our lives. And that's not healthy. That's not what we're called to do. You know what I'm saying?

I don't want to pick on the music industry and I don't want to pick on the movie industry for things having gone that way. Because this is a... old problem that the church has faced since its existence and the problem goes back further than the church to uh the you know the old testament because there were those the the group that we have the uh dead sea scrolls from the essenes they had that mentality they are wrong over there we're going to go over here and we're going to do all of the stuff right So the whole isolation and separation is nothing new. It's been happening for over 2000 years. It just raises itself in different ways at different times. And I get some of the, I want my kids to be safe and to know what they're going to be exposed to. I totally understand that. But the problem is we often just abdicate any oversight and we leave it up to. It's a Christian school. It's a Christian whatever. The label lets us release our obligation of oversight. And I think that's the problem. Instead of sitting, if you're a parent, by the way, and you're listening to this, instead of sitting here and watching a streamer that your kids want to listen to and watch and listening and watching it with them and then saying, OK, do you think that was a wise or a good thing for them to engage in or say you are parenting while you're doing it so they can learn? Yeah. to make judgments for themselves. Yeah, you know what? That person just was gaslighting someone. That person was just degrading someone. That person was just being angry or rude. And you can now have a conversation and parent them instead of saying, no, you can only go watch this because this is the only thing that's good. And then there's probably stuff you don't know that's actually not good hidden in there.

don't don't delegate parenting you know what i'm saying i'm not a parent but don't don't don't delegate parenting uh the the the i've worked in youth uh you know youth ministry uh at church and the amount of times that um parents would just drop off their kids yeah uh at church and just expect church to fix them you know what i'm saying The reason they need fixing is because you're not doing your job.

Well, at some point, there are parents who are not dropping their kids off because of what the church is going to do. They are dropping the kids off because they need a break from the kids. And so sometimes the church is simply a babysitter. And that's all that people are using the church for. And I don't fault parents for needing that or for doing that. But I just want to advise parents to the ability that you were able to oversee what your kids are doing. on any space any platform any in-person place that they are doing things now as you do that you may at some point gain trust and then allow them on their own to do things but you know it's it's not just well it says christian so it must be okay

right right right yeah yeah yeah yeah like you said oversight is a big is a big uh uh a big thing and if uh uh and i feel like you're you as a parent you need to be ready to answer questions or just preemptively be like hey look this this is not this is not good and this is the reason why i don't like the idea of uh this is not good because i said so you know explain explain

I hate that because I said so. It did not fly with me as a kid. Because you said so means I'm going to go do it. I'm sorry. You didn't give me a reason not to. I'm going to find a way to do this anyway because I have no reason not to other than you said so. Who cares if you said so? And then Supersonic was saying device also break from kids at a time. Yeah, the kids get a break from a device when they drop off at church and they get to be engaged in other stuff. Actually, I was just having a conversation with a number of pastors, and one of the pastors was talking about device usage and just how addictive it can be at times and not knowing and really truly understanding. uh that he had fallen into a pattern of i i'm sitting there i'm brushing my teeth and and then i'm scrolling and then all of a sudden i realize it's two in the morning like okay you weren't going to brush your teeth at uh two in the morning you were brushing your teeth hours earlier you start scrolling you're done brushing your teeth and you sit there and you scroll on your device for a couple of hours and the time disappears from you it's like yeah we all can fall to a device ourselves and have that be the thing that is feeding us when we really want to be more in relationships than just in content consumption.

Yeah. So it's the whole scrolling thing is just so it's so dangerous. I have to catch myself sometimes. And, you know, a doctor once said, you know, we are our bodies have a limited amount of dopamine, right, that it produces in a day. And and And the way it recharges the dopamine is by sleeping. And so what we're doing when we're endlessly scrolling, especially at the beginning of the day, that's the most dangerous part. Like you're endlessly scrolling. You're getting this cheap dopamine. You're expending your dopamine for that day that you're not going to get back. And then when you do it at night, you don't get the rest you need to replenish your dopamine. And so you're constantly just spending, and that's why we're unhappy. It's not just because we're seeing bad stuff on… on on the internet or or on the apps it's it's because we're we're expending our dopamine on on endless on doom scrolling and we you know we get to the end of the day and we're not satisfied you know i'm saying nothing satisfies us nothing you know is good and so it's just such a dangerous thing um that i'm i have to catch myself like not doing you know um and i've been trying to practice like At the beginning of the day, no screens, no nothing until I make my cup of coffee, exercise, and do my quiet time. I won't pick up my phone. To look at it, I have my monitors off, right, at the office, and I won't turn them on until I get done with my quiet time. And so, yeah, because I know that once I start and once I turn on that monitor, I'm stuck there for hours.

Got to start to stay right. And we might all approach those things differently as well. Like some people, the first thing they're going to do is coffee. I do tea. But I also know in that first half hour, 45 minutes, your body will release natural chemicals for you to be awake and alert. And if you are first grabbing coffee in that first 10 minutes that you are waking up, you are ruining your body's natural and you become dependent upon. the coffee the tea the caffeine to get you awake so i usually don't make my tea until i've been awake a half an hour and then i let it cool and then i start drinking it so like although i have two of them ready to go at almost any moment uh this one's caffeine this one's decaf and this one has no caffeine naturally um i'm trying to cut my caffeine down but Like that's another way to make sure I don't become dependent on something artificial.

And I and I know I should I should work on that. But I mean, that's even the point of our stream. My stream has like a coffee counter. You know, every time somebody is having a cup of coffee or I'm having a cup of coffee, it's like exclamation point coffee. And it adds to an amount of coffee, coffee cups that chat has had, you know, in chat. And so and and so I. Part of the gimmick of my channel is drinking an unhealthy amount of coffee. So, oh, did that not work? Let's see. I think it has to be on my channel.

Yeah, it has to be on your channel. Yeah, it doesn't work with the – Yeah, right there.

So we're almost at 2,000 cups of coffee right now. But it's just – so I do need to – maybe i should but at this point like i just drink i drink way too much coffee and one of the one of the things that's keeping me from drinking a lot of coffee is having them in thermoses right and so i'll make i'll make you know i'll make uh one of this and it lasts longer because what makes me make another cup of coffee uh when i put it in a mug is that once it starts getting lukewarm and colder i'll just chug the rest of it make another cup of coffee right So I'm down to maybe four of these a day.

Well, I drink well over three liters of tea a day. so oh wow yeah yeah i drink over three i i probably drink closer to four liters of tea a day uh of various different kinds but i was noticing you you don't have any stickers uh on your mug there so i do not have it on this one yeah you gotta you gotta send me on that one wait uh yeah so uh yeah it's more than a gallon my my measuring container uh supersonic is a container that makes 1.8 liters so i don't know what that is in gallons uh it's over a gallon over two gallons probably so i don't know maybe i'm wrong on that math So it's a 1.8 gallon teapot.

Sorry about that. Yeah, I had to show it because I don't have it on my coffee mug, but I do have it on my water. When you left and came back, you're pixelated now. No. Wait. Yeah, I see that I'm pixelated. Let me try turning the whole thing on and off again.

As soon as you left the screen, it pixelated. It was trying to find you, and I think we figured out that's the problem. There we go. No, you're still pixelated.

Okay. Wait. Oh, oh, no. No. I'm sorry. I messed everything up. Okay, let me try changing sources and then changing it back.

Change it back. That's a good thought. Nope, it's still pixelated.

Okay.

Bear with me, chat. Okay, so I shouldn't leave the thing. Don't leave the scene.

Yeah, gum it. Why is this happening?

Hey, don't stress over it. I've had much bigger technical problems in the middle of streams before. We'll get it sorted. Yeah, you're still isolated there. Okay.

I just wanted to show chat my awesome Flat Cat Dapper Pastor sticker. Let's see.

Sorry, everybody. He'll be working on this. I'll just carry the conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You just play around with that. So totally, totally unrelated, but just information for people. Those who were at REACH Conference, I have recently put a blog post out there. So the blog post is... how your church can support digital missionaries. So let me just post that in the chat there. So if you're interested in your church supporting, like you're doing what Will is and you want to talk to your church about it and they don't believe that streaming is anything that's ministry related. I wrote a podcast. I wrote a blog post. Because one of the pastors, while we were at REACH, asked the question, what do we as a church do after this? And I went to go talk about what do we do as streamers, and he's like, no, no, no. How does our church support you guys? What can we do? So this is in response to that question. And so hopefully somebody brings this to their church and is able to have their church take a few of these steps to help support them as a streamer, help recognize them as a streamer, and be able to recognize that it is actual ministry that's going on. So I got eight different suggestions there. There's certainly more things that could happen, but I just got my first post of the year out there.

It's such a cool thing. And I feel like churches do need to adopt more digital missionaries. And I understand the focus on physically going places geographically. But man, the digital space is only growing. It's not decreasing, and I don't think the solution is getting people out of the internet to get them in church. It's meeting people where they are. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know. That's just me though. And I don't understand what's happening. Okay, let's see.

Hey, no stress on it.

Maybe- Yeah, like my OBS, everything is working on the OBS. Oh, let me try to turn off virtual camera. That's what I was going to suggest.

Turn it off and turn it back on. Yeah, I don't know the song Supersonic. I was just, the coffee shanty. Yes, it's not. Oh, no, I was hoping that was it. It didn't do it. Yeah, if it's pixelated just on the – Yeah, it's pixelated in OBS.

Even in OBS too, like just the OBS logo, which is so weird. The OBS logo is pixelated, so. Let's see. Do you use source or scene? Scene. Let me try maybe changing scenes. Yeah.

Let's see. Yeah, go into the scene and change what the scene is picking up. Okay. That's different. It's definitely different. Yeah. It's just my starting soon screen. Okay.

Let's see.

I know we had this when you first jumped on. Yeah, we know it's still blurry.

Yeah, yeah. And what fixed it before is just switching in and out of it. Yeah. My computer. Okay. I wonder if it could be like internet issues too, but let's see.

Well, I don't think it would be because your OBS should be fine, but I don't know. I was going to say, is it a cable issue? You know, if you unplugged Elgato and plugged it back in, would that fix it? Was it just coincidental that when you got up, it pixelated?

Yeah, let me try unplugging the Elgato and plugging it back in. You can still see the scene itself is pixelated. I can see that, yeah.

It's not the camera. It's so weird.

And on the preview here of StreamTogether, it looks normal.

No, it's not. CaptainTypo is saying it's not blurry on... will stream yeah it's not blurry on my channel yeah my my stream is not blurry it's like everything is normal what's up that boat uh why don't why don't you uh leave the stream together and then try to come back in see if that uh helps oh okay yeah give me give me one second then there we go did it work that worked that worked nice and you're back too nice yeah and it should as soon as we get it all up we're boom right back in place so there we go we fixed it oh okay oh great i i will edit all of that anxiety levels decreasing yeah i'll edit that all out of the the actual uh bods when they go out most of the time i don't like getting up anymore yeah I don't know why that would do it. The green screen issue might have been it. But it was weird that it pixelated everything.

Yeah, it pixelated the scene, the scene itself.

It feels more like a browser issue for some reason. It is Twitch after all.

Okay. I'm going to try to think.

Okay. Where were we? You were getting a sticker to show us. That's what you were doing.

Yeah, I was getting your sticker to show you guys what started this all. What started this all.

Yeah. Yes. Oh, gosh. And I see the blessing boat on there as well, which is pretty cool.

Yeah, I got the blessing boat. I hope to be... I'm trying to work out scheduling and stuff like that. But I think their next stream... I don't usually stream on Saturdays. And so I'm trying to see if I can work my schedule in to get in there. So we'll see.

We'll see. same here i'm not usually a saturday streamer i've done blessing boat a few times i also am planning next month for so these will come out later down the road if you're not here live but next month for the podcast i'm trying to do four episodes with mods who don't stream to come on so we'll talk about what is oh like yes i saw that you're a valued asset to the community and talk about that so one of the possible ones i've got four possible ones they're all the first two weeks of march and i'll be doing a saturday potentially in there so oh that's awesome so if it works are you are you looking for specifically like christian christian mods Primarily, yes, because we want to talk about faith and what it is. But if they mod for someone who's not Christian, that doesn't matter. so gotcha gotcha so if they're modding for someone who's not christian at all but they mod to maintain the community and they are serving in a loving manner within the community i don't care what the streamer is i just want the approach to be around i contribute i am needed i am valuable because we often within christianity only elevate the person who's up front And so, right. So I really, I really felt like God put this on my heart last month to you need to have mods on. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. That's a great thought. So I probably want to do someone who never, never streams, doesn't do that. But they, they help so many communities by modding in different places. And some do both. Like some are mods and streamers, which would be another voice. But this is kind of what I heard God say. Yeah.

We'll see if it works. I feel like it's like Al's talk and Christian Ninja's talk in That Reach. The different D&D characters within content creation and how the streamer is usually the bard and the one that gets all the attention and things like that. But you really need the cleric. You really need that person who specializes in taking care of the community and things like that. um some people can be a bard and and a cleric uh i'm definitely not that you know so so it's just uh yeah it's good to have those people around for sure yeah absolutely so so that's a thought for that um so when so we talked about how you got um

exposed to twitch and watching twitch yeah what was the journey to decide to be a streamer on twitch and was it a decision to be a christian streamer when you started or was that something you made a decision about later

yeah so what what got me into streaming um obviously i got i got i got engulfed in the whole uh twitch scene and and and loved being part of these communities and so when i thought man it would be fun to start a stream um with my brothers um and us do sort of like a stream that focuses on yeah we're we're hanging out we're playing games but and blessing other people you know blessing other streamers either by contributing or or you know gifting or um just just you know supporting whatever project that they're doing Um, but just kind of be like that, you know, sort of like a blessing in other people's lives. Um, so the idea, this channel started as the Walker brothers. Um, it was, it was, it was, it was a channel, um, that my brothers and I all streamed on them. Sometimes simultaneously we had like the three cameras, uh, set up, uh, when we played or, um, uh, uh, or just individually. And I thought, man, I had this cool plan. Cause I thought, We have different schedules. We do different things. And so we can stream at different times and all that. But, of course, that didn't work. I mean, our lives got busy. You know, life just happened. And so our streaming was sporadic and things like that. And my brothers decided, like, man, you know, I don't think I can do this. You know, I can't do this. And so the idea was, you know, originally was a streaming. And we would contribute monthly to put some money in a bank account monthly for blessing people on Twitch. And so every time we ended stream, we would rate out into somebody and then make a contribution, like a donation or something like that. But it just didn't work out. We couldn't do it consistently as a trio. And we stopped. We stopped, and I kind of went back into being just a community member, supporter, chatter, lurker, whatever. But the idea, the thought of streaming, live streaming specifically, not content creation as a whole like posting videos and all that kind of stuff, and I'm still terrible at that. I still don't do that hardly enough. But but but just that thought of of going live and hanging out with people, all of that still stayed in the back of my mind. And it didn't leave my head for, you know. ever and so after about i don't know a few months almost a year of like no streams or or anything like that um i told my brothers was like i'm thinking about you know streaming again and uh i'm just gonna change the channel name to to to something that's that that's me um and and they were like oh yeah do that that's awesome you know and and so yeah i changed it to willpog so i changed you know twitter to willpog you know everything to to we didn't have like youtube or anything it was just essentially twitch and twitter um and uh yeah and so i just started doing you know uh just chatting streams after a while it was kind of predominantly just chatting mainly because I streamed from a laptop for the longest time so I could only play games that could be played um by a potato computer because my computer my laptop couldn't couldn't stream and game at the same time you know and uh not not like all these newer games so i thought i'm gonna work with what i have and so i'll just do just chatting you know so i'll just chatting and just hang out and yap you know and um and i did that for for years uh until you know i got this blessing of the gaming pc and um and now i can actually game and and take some uh uh you know play some of these new things and so so now my stream is just essentially a mixture of of just chatting you know at the beginning of stream and about just random things and then we'll get into a game you know and and uh I'll play a game or a demo or check some new stuff out when they come out. But yeah, a funny story. Well, kind of, I don't know. It's funny to me. But when I started doing research for streaming with my brothers, that's where I found a lot of other creators that I still hang out with and part of communities with. Because when I wanted to start streaming… um i i looked for more christian content creators seeing what they were doing and uh but but also i needed i wanted to find um creators that streamed that duo streamed right like because because there weren't a lot of people who you know like you know there weren't a lot of people who just had like you know were streaming from different areas from different places in the same channel at the same time like it did just that just didn't happen so i was like so i was just searching for people who did that in some way shape or form and i ended up finding the bonsai bros the bonsai pros are this they're amazing they're super funny uh and and as soon as i got into the community i was hooked uh with them as well became uh buddies with them and but they do stream they're twins on on twitch and uh they they they're very hyper chaotic funny fast-paced streamers You can have their volume on 1% on Twitch, and you can still hear them fine. So they're kind of like that, but they're twins, and they would occasionally do these duo streams. Where they had they were streaming from different places sometimes the same place, but from different places and So I wanted to take notes and learn from them But I ended up becoming just part of their community and things like that one day and the reason this is funny one day They were playing with a guy called bearded Blevins Okay, and I went I went into his channel and and loved the vibe loved everything about you know and and and and his his his approach and and and his he's funny he's nice he's kind he's community focused and uh started following and you know supporting him sub to him i'm i'm sub to him for like 80 plus months still you know to this day But at the time, I didn't know who he was. At the time, when I first subbed to him, I didn't know who he was. And then after hanging out in his community... um and and and subbing him i eventually found out he is ninja's brother and and uh and so so the the reason it's funny for me is because it's a full circle yeah ninja got me into twitch ninja got me into twitch and i found john uh playing with the bonsai bros one day it was such a funny stream they were playing fortnite together and and things like that I found John and really got involved in his community and things like that to the point to where I've been to John's house. I spent the night there, and it was such a good time. The guy is amazing. The guy is awesome. But it's really funny how it just kind of came on a circle. His brother got me into Twitch, and now I watched John instead of Ninja. But yeah. But yeah. And then then I started, you know, streaming and and here we are. So.

Yeah. Well, you know what? Those those stories happen all over the place of one person introducing you and then you evolve into other places with other connections. And then someplace it wraps back around to the beginning of those things. So I find I find those things fascinating when. Well, it's like in the sea of.

yeah in the sea of twitch right in the whole the the the sea of twitch the sea of people i happened to to to to you know find the guy who was who was uh you know uh who you know who is

the brother of the guy who kind of got me who got me on twitch and yeah well extremely thankful for that i don't know the current numbers but i thought at one point it was like the number of people going live on twitch in a month was like over a million people so if there's over a million people that are live you're gonna find two people that are related just by chance unless they're rating and streaming and talking about each other not not so much so yeah that is that is fascinating it'd be kind of like if you and you're like well i put a different way like it would be like if people found my kids uh because they occasionally stream on twitch they're they're not on my chat they're not hanging out here right right uh yeah yeah they they lurked when i first started to help support dad but they're not hanging out on my channel like they don't want to hang out at dad's community they don't want to be around what dad's doing So, like, you don't know. You're not going to find my kids. Like, if you found my kids and watched my kids, I wouldn't know how you found them because it wouldn't be through connections of us to each other directly. It would have to be some weird combination of other people in between.

That's awesome. That is awesome.

Yeah. Yeah.

No, I, I, yeah, it was, uh, it was, it has been an interesting journey, uh, to say the least for sure. And so, um, and obviously I've never, I've, I've never been the most consistent streamer. Um, but, but I, I, I try to be more consistent today. Um, especially after reach, I try to be more consistent as much as I can, you know? Um,

uh today um uh with this renewed uh passion of mine i guess so yeah yeah what have been uh we can go in either direction here uh you could you can pick which one you want to do first but i like to find out what have been some obstacles and difficulties that you've had as a streamer they could be things that you had to overcome in life they can be what happened as you were streaming it could be tech things it could be on stream events that took place or harassment any of those kinds of things like what have been some obstacles you've you've overcome as a streamer and what have been some experiences that have just been a blessing to you or your community that you've got to witness as being a streamer so you can go either way first doesn't matter

man i mean obstacles tech tech obstacles i face on a daily basis my chat knows this it's like every day it's either a scene that doesn't work or my audio is a it's that that's a those are obstacles that i feel like will will follow me to the end of my days on twitch so

that's it's become part of the channels like okay what's gonna break today in chat yeah you know and so and that and that happens so often that people just say if you don't have tech problems are you a real streamer you know it's just like it is right it is yeah

it's like yeah it's like you fix one thing and it breaks the other it's it's kind of wild but so as far as like the the take issues and obstacles that's like just a constant obstacle um the um the i think the biggest obstacle that any streamer will will face um and they need to get that down and that's something that i've been feeling convicted about uh today is the obstacle of consistency it's like are you are do you want to do this like and if you want to do this uh i wouldn't go as far as saying is like Treat it like your job. It's not like that. It's more of like if you want this to grow and if you want this to be something more in the future, the least you can do is be consistent. So the least you can do is have a schedule and stick to it. And if you're not, what is the reason? Why are you not consistent? And I think that should be – I think that's the focus that people forget. They just think, oh, man, I'm not going live every day at whatever time. Okay, so why? Why? And what around your life – What's happening or what are you allowing to happen that's keeping you from being consistent? And that's a process that I'm still going through today. But that's, I think, one of the biggest obstacles is once you commit to doing the streaming thing, how are you going to keep yourself consistent?

consistent right um so yeah i think i think you're absolutely right on the consistency part but you also the one of the reasons you need some consistency is so that the audience knows when you're live i mean if like television like people know that football's on sundays OK, so, you know, to go look for football on Sundays, American football. If you're in Brazil, you know, to go look for college football on Saturdays. Sure, they've expanded that to maybe having some Thursday night games or other things or a Monday night game. But if I just know I'm looking for something, I don't turn it on on Tuesday and look for it. And oh, wow, there's a game that's on. I didn't know it was going to be on or even even just any. channel or any any program that's on on regular television back when you weren't just, you know, binge watching things like you had to tune in on Thursday night to be able to watch the show that was on Thursday night. You knew when it was. You showed up for it. You could plan it around what you're doing. But I, I think one of the things that we we do is we think we have to commit to more than we have to. and like when i started i started with just well i'll go live on friday mornings that's it that's all i could carve out a space for was fridays so i have my own channel and my own schedule on my own you know over there that is like this is what i'm doing this is what i can maintain at different times it's changed and it's fluctuated but it's pretty pretty consistent um in order on this channel to maintain something because i'm trying to in like you're saying you have to have a reason i'm trying to do the podcast when the guests people are going to show up i'm not trying to build my audience off of my guests i'm trying to celebrate the guest and go there so mondays i stream on this channel and i play games monday from two to four so that you can just know there's something that happens and find out when is the podcast this week you know i try to right right that consistency is monday show up find out when the podcast is and and then you don't have to hot like okay because if all i did was the podcast on this channel you'd never know when i'm going live you'd have to have the alert right because it's different every time it's different what's well i think i sometimes will get in a rhythm of consistency of day of the week like next thursday is the next podcast but i rarely i'm going to be at the same time from week to week either because i right right next thursday is like 7 p.m or something here we are at you know for me 1 p.m like it's yeah like this is not how you build an audience for that but the others so i know the consistency is a valuable thing if i'm building me as a streamer if i'm building a community where people come together but the other side is if i can't be consistent that doesn't mean don't go live because right you never know that you are going to reach a person who needed you live at the moment you able are able to go live so don't downplay you can't go live if you aren't consistent you may still need to go live for a different reason you won't necessarily be able to build a you know a community you may not be able to build a platform if you can't go consistency But you could also build your community over in Discord and not build your community in Twitch. So you could still do that by invite people over, engaging in asynchronous community, or we were talking about WhatsApp earlier. If you're international, that's a better platform for people to be on. It takes less data. So you can build your community. off of going live and being inconsistent as long as your community has asynchronous going on where they can engage and build relationships when you're able to chat with one another.

Yeah, and I think just doing it is really good. I think clicking the live button, going live, and doing your thing, it's better to be going live as you're figuring this out. And that's one thing that I've found out. It's just like you don't have to have it all figured out. You don't have to have the whole… the whole thing figured out so a lot of times you're figuring out as you go um you know what what you're going to be doing the different things that you're going to add to the stream you know it's like almost every day there's like a new idea for the stream uh um you know i i have this uh like this remarkable uh notepad for example and um i found a way to share through the remarkable app uh the whatever i'm writing on the remarkable you know what i'm saying whatever i'm writing on it so i can it can be like a drawing thing uh that i can add to the streams just a little little thing like that that that was just added uh to to one of my scenes that i can just do that at any moment at any point you know And so so a lot of things just keep getting added to the stream as you go. And it's OK. It's OK for you to figure things out one step at a time, one day at a time. But but you're not going to figure those things out if you're not going live and experiencing, you know, say the the the, you know, do. uh, do it badly, do it badly until you get a little better at it, you know?

So, so, well, you're not like any, any sport and we're, you know, we're in a gaming space. It, you know, like, well, I can't go live until I can beat the boss battle in one try. going to take a long time before you go live. So you can make excuses a long time and never do it. Also, not everyone needs to go live, but we're just talking about those who are thinking about it. Like, what are you going to do? How do you think through it? Why should you do it? What are some best practices? I love that language, best practices. Okay. Best practices are have a consistent time. Great. That's best practice. Another best practice, go for four hours at a time. I usually don't go four hours at a time. There's a couple of days a week where I can, but most days I can't. So it's like that would become a difficult thing. Although I know it's best practice, I don't follow it because my schedule doesn't allow me to do that. I would rather, and this is me, I would rather do Monday through Friday and not be able to do four hours than to just do four hours one day. Because I could probably move stuff around. But since what I'm doing is I'm trying to be a spot for people to show up Monday through Friday and be able to get a little Bible in their life on a daily basis. If I go for four hours in one day, I miss that opportunity to be there for those people who are wanting to show up on the daily and hear it as they're going through their week. Now. if if i wanted to burn myself out i might add the saturday and sunday into the space too so i could be there for everybody every day it's like i can't be there for everybody every day so i don't i don't try yeah then you're stretching yourself yeah then you're stretching yourself and then you can burn out really quickly you know um um

Yeah, you can burn out really quickly. And I've done it before in content creation or in streaming. Feeling like you have to be live and you have to do it. And then you don't, you know, you give in to that pressure for long enough. And, you know, you get tired. You get tired. so i've i've done multiple resets of my stream you know uh in in my in my life yeah so so those are some of the you know uh some of the hurdles that i've uh that i've gone through i think on the streaming side

You've mentioned the inconsistency being a problem on some level that gets in the way. Is that because of job? Is that because of home life? What is it that is the part that does not allow for you to have the consistency? Because there might be different struggles that would cause that. Right, right.

had several struggles uh in my life but we all have i think yeah i think i think um when it comes to uh for me specifically one of the biggest challenges uh as far as like keeping myself consistent is me not being a consistent person in real life okay um that that that is something that um i struggled with my entire life and so when you're not incons when you're not consistent in real life um you you Your priorities are not aligned, right? Your priorities are not aligned. You can't set a schedule for a stream, for example, if you can't set a schedule for yourself in real life. And so for me personally, I struggled with consistency in many things. As a person – yeah, the job – jobs would get in the way in a sense, but even in the jobs, I wasn't consistent. In my marriage, I wasn't consistent. In my relationships, I wasn't consistent. And so the problem with consistency in my streams came from a deeper issue, deeper issues, right, of inconsistency in my life. And so, yeah, I'm working on those things. I continue to work on those things every day today. But yeah, it's it's it's inconsistency in streaming is usually a an indication that you might, you know, you you might be struggling with the consistency of life, you know.

And that's partly why I asked the question. I love your answer, by the way, which is not that I love that that's what your life is, but just your awareness of that circumstance and situation. But I've worked in restaurant industry. And restaurant industry is an inconsistent schedule. One week you're working Monday through Friday, and the next week you've got to pull a weekend shift. Or your day shift, but you've got to do a couple of later shifts here and there. So there really is some inconsistency when you work in some industry. So I was just curious if that was one of those things. Or when you have life change. uh happens yeah you know like like their assassinator stuff and uh g funk have been on here and they have a kid well all of a sudden your life is inconsistent because your your life is now revolving around taking care of the kid who is an infant who well you know what i can't stream today because this is happening uh so so i know those things happen but one of the things that i think helps me in some ways is i i always and i'm not i don't say i'm in a lot of areas of life i'm really disciplined because i only discipline myself for the things i want have discipline for so there's some places where i just like nope i don't want to be disciplined in that area i like i like it not being disciplined like for instance like when i was in sports i could be disciplined to show up every single day for practice but it was because i was a team player and i was there to be better for the team and i was there to excel at what i was doing so i can make that when it's a commitment to other people when i'm just going to go exercise daily for myself with nobody else involved i'm horribly inconsistent i can't do it daily i struggle with the daily grind of it so it's like i now can apply the showing up for other people to my daily streaming because there's other people expecting me to be there and so that allows me to be consistent because of other people even as supersonic was saying some days you don't feel like it and sometimes you might overdo it but yeah i can show up monday through friday regularly and not just go, I don't feel like it today because there's people that are expecting me. I can show up, but that's a discipline I've learned. So I like I said, and sometimes it's just I don't want to apply it and it's hard to apply it. Like I like at times, oh, I could be really disciplined with riding my bicycle and set a scheduled time and do this. Now I'm going to sacrifice other things that will get in the way of that.

Yeah, we try to wait for the motivation to be consistent or to do the thing that we're supposed to do. That motivation sometimes never comes. Motivation cannot be the factor that determines if we're going to do something or not. and so uh and so so so i've had to um in my life had to uh work on and continue to work on uh uh several things um on the in in real life in order to open up the the even the opportunity to stream right and so um yeah so yeah it's uh it's uh it's wild they say you know like i said twitch got me through some of the toughest moments in my life um and a lot of those moments a lot of those tough moments were caused by me and and and uh i need you know and and uh would you want to share a story of one of those rough moments and how twitch got you through it So for me, my life, when I talk about my struggles, I used to be a – I struggled with depression and anxiety for a long time. And I didn't want to accept at the time that I was going through that. I'm a Christian. God's on my side. I work for a ministry. I work for an NGO in the Amazon doing some fantastic things. How can I be depressed? And I was just unsatisfied with life. And I was just anxious. You know, I had this still struggle with this scarcity mindset of when things are good. I'm fearful that it could go wrong at any moment. And so imposter syndrome comes, and there's just a whole bunch of things that for many years I just didn't understand where they came from. And today I'm starting to understand where they came from. Well, there are – good ways to cope with anxiety and depression and negative thoughts. And then there's unhealthy ways to cope with it. And I chose the unhealthy path, right? I chose the unhealthy path and started really abusing alcohol to the point that I pretty much lost everything. I pretty much lost everything. I believe the only things that I really didn't lose were my family and even though it was barely, my wife at that point. So when I talk about struggles and some of the things, the struggles that Twitch got me through, it was during those times where I needed an encouraging word, not by posting it in chat or saying how much I was struggling in chat. I respect you do whatever you want to do, but I'm not that type of person who's just going to type like, oh, man, I'm struggling today. Right, right. help me whatever and so um but just listening in being part of these communities being part of these chats um and uh a lot of times i'll have you know a streamer like john or aki I'm just lurking or hanging out, and then a subject comes up about life and how they handle a certain situation and how the way they see it, their wisdom in their experiences of life helped me through – helped me give hope, gave me hope during a time of hopelessness for me. So when I was very hopeless and distraught, these online communities gave me hope, right? Even when I was in the middle of my struggle still. And now that I'm on the other side when it comes to a lot of these things… these communities just continue to encourage me validate this process that I'm in and continue to be a blessing in my life and help me be a better person a lot of these streamers have made me a better man and they don't

even know it you know they probably will never know how much you know what i'm saying so well at some level um that that is exactly what paul tells us we should do we should copy paul as he is copying christ so what we see him do is what we should be doing and so what and and this is just i just want to pick up on this this point um So lurkers are valued and lurkers don't need to come out of lurking to be impacted by what's taking place. I find that so valuable in Twitch space is the lurkers who are there, who are engaged with it. Anybody who is not here live isn't reading what's going on in the chat. So they're missing all of that. But lurkers would be here. They'd see all of that. Other channels, they'll put the chat on the screen since I want our beautiful faces on screen. I don't have the chat there for this channel. there's there's that whole level of i might just be hanging out in the space and barely hanging on and the conversation is so valuable to where i am in life so whether you are the person like will who's like yeah i'm struggling i'm not going to post my struggles or you are the person that comes in and posts the struggles they they still are both just as valuable and they're still both as valid and yeah the streamers that address those things are, are fantastic.

God still uses it. God, God, God still uses it because it's, it's, it's the people who do share their struggles because I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm not saying I'm right because I tend to isolate myself when I'm struggling. And so, uh, so, so I'm not right. Uh, but what I'm saying is the people who do share their struggles, they're the ones that entice the conversation into a direction that's going to help somebody else. Right. So, so, so, uh, um, so I don't know that there's somebody, there's a right or wrong. It's a, who you are. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it's like I'll come into – I would go into the stream, and somebody was talking about whatever, their relationship or something. And then the streamer, living a good, healthy life or was giving a suggestion on – how to better treat their wives or wisdom as to what to do in a particular situation that happened to them in their personal lives. And I would see that and be like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. You know what I'm saying? It's actually very helpful. So, yeah, little things like that. They don't even know. And they don't even know they're impacting my life in a positive way, which is pretty cool. Pretty cool.

Yeah. But the you don't know who you're influencing. really uh resonated or i should say was more realized in some way in my mind after i had kids and there were behaviors i was sure i had never done in front of my kids and they did those behaviors and it was when and where did they see that and pick that up from and I need to stop doing that. And not that they were the most horrible thing. They were just things I was conscious. I didn't want my kids to pick up on. I knew I didn't do it in front of them and they found it and saw it anyway, because I was the one they were gonna look to. And maybe they saw it on somebody else and picked it up and I didn't know it, but it convicted me to be conscious of the people who are watching and learning from what you're doing and you might never know it. Because what if my kids had never done that in front of me? They saw it and did it, but they didn't do it in front of me. I would have never known that they had picked up on that. So, you know, I don't do it on this stream, but I picked this up from another YouTuber. And actually, this was kind of fun. I did tell him. Okay, so there's a YouTuber. that does cruise videos. And my wife and I go on cruises because she likes a vacation where nobody can call me and I can't leave as a pastor and go back and do a funeral because I'm on vacation. So... He does jazz hands, you know, in his intro. He's always doing jazz hands and stuff. And as I was doing the Bible stuff, I would get excited. And so I just started doing jazz hands because I watched him do that so many times. I just picked up. There we go. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. You're doing the jazz hands. No. yep yep a little bit of uh that's funny that's funny wavy cat uh so i picked that up from him and like i'm like oh i'm never gonna tell him i did this or whatever he's not watching my videos or anything uh after reach conference uh i went on a cruise with my wife and uh he happened to be on the boat i was on and i'm sitting there eating breakfast Oh, no way. And I see him sitting over there. He's also sitting with another person I know that's a cruise streamer and does videos. And I went over, and I'm like, I just had to see if it was you and say hello. I love your stuff. I watch on my television, so I never comment because, you know, I can't comment on there. But I love you. I also stream, and I stole your jazz hands. So... I tried to tell him that just because I wanted to tell him how much he was valued by me. I also didn't want to be a creep, and my wife saw me talking, and she's like, hey, how are you? Good to see you, and she immediately bolted to eat. She didn't want to spend any more time than that, but I was like – I go, I don't know if you like people coming up or not. I don't want to take your time up, but I'm going to go comment on a video now. but it was like i stole that so like when i get excited about the bible and i want to just kind of show that hey this is really exciting i just i just pulled the jazz hands out and do that uh there we go yeah supersonic's just saying in uh celebrate recovery and small groups anonymity and confidentiality are basic requirements uh what shared in a group stays in a group and i think that outside of that like when i'm in pastor networks we do the same thing when i'm in small groups you establish whether this is stuff that's confidential you absolutely you break confidentiality like why is anyone ever going to trust you again uh right right you know the difference being if someone's sharing in stream i don't believe that that's confidential information because they've shared it yeah in a public space i'm just you know but i also if they're on my discord community or they dm me yeah i can't share it on stream so i could break their trust by sharing it on stream but it's also why i wasn't sharing these streamers names you might not know them uh But also like they're in another venue. They're in another thing. I don't want to get them bombarded with a bunch of people going over there. If you DM me, I'd probably tell you, but I don't know what would happen to the podcast and what people will do with it and share it publicly. So I'm not going to. So there is that level of trying to think through things.

Yeah, I think your story is yours to tell, right? Nobody should tell your story for you. And you share however much you feel like you need to or want to really.

not a requirement for you to share everything um you know um to in order to i don't know to talk to somebody so it says it's not you don't have to pour out your entire story well like you you you're talking about struggling with alcohol that's your story to tell um you you chose to reveal that you didn't you didn't have to but

Yeah, and I think when I was talking about inconsistency, I've always been an inconsistent person, starting something and not finishing it, being a wild dreamer. I still am a big daydreamer. I dream big and – and have all these great things i can plan and write things down but following through uh i struggle with right and so uh i have fantastic ideas but following through with those ideas is is is um isn't a whole uh you know another thing and so and so so that has been a challenge when it comes to streaming it has been a huge challenge for me um to to get through uh some of these hurdles but at the same time it has been very edifying in the sense of man i I'm an inconsistent person. Why? I'm – so getting to the root of the reasons that you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing is the best way for you to actually do the things that you're supposed to be doing. And so I've been working on that. And all the areas of my life, my relationships, my work, my streaming, I'm not perfect in all of them, but I'm working. But at least I'm – where in the past I denied that I had a problem with inconsistency and would always make up a reason for it in a very narcissistic way. You just make up reasons for not doing or accomplishing stuff that you set yourself up to accomplish. I recognize that while it's not perfect, I am working towards that, right? And I'm trying to enjoy that journey one step at a time and take that next right step. I don't have to – that's why I say this all the time, that habits are more important than goals, right? And so habits are more important than goals because, yeah, goals are great. Don't not do them. But what are the habits that you're creating in order to accomplish those goals? Because it's the habits that's going to allow you to sort of enjoy the journey on a day-to-day basis instead of just getting to the finish line and then thinking, okay, so what's next, right? And you're just constantly chasing something else and something else and something else. And so I use the example of reading books. Don't set a goal to read 10 books in a year. Set a goal to read 10, 15, 20 pages in a day. You'll get to 15, 20 books in a year if you read 10 to 20 pages a day. So instead of the goal of reading 10 books, become a reader. And the way you become a reader is by reading every day, right?

I'm not disagreeing with the habits as the important piece of things, but as a coach, I ask, what is your goal for this year? Because if your goal is to be state champion, I am going to push you harder, and I am going to make more demands of you in the daily so that you can actually get to that goal. If your goal is just to have fun, I am not going to berate you that you're not wanting to be a state champion. I'm also not going to be frustrated when you quit early on stuff because I'm not going to spend more. I won't spend twice as much effort on you becoming what you want to be than you're willing to spend. There will be times I will spend more effort than you because I need to. teach you and get you to the place where you can do it on your own. And sometimes it requires me to do more effort than you are. But I'm not going to spend twice as much all the time when you won't spend the energy to become what you say you want to become. Your evidence of daily habits tell me you don't want to actually do that. that my my my my my my reasoning behind that and i think we we're on the same page we're on the same page we're not a disagreement yeah like i'm just looking at it from a different angle as a coach level i i'm saying i need more info so i can help you get there if i'm on my own trying to do it i need the daily more than i need the goal

yeah like like what the the the you know using the football example i believe every team should have the goal to win a state championship yeah right like like so so so if you have if you're if you're in a team your goal is to to win the to win the state championship so what is how do you get there is by getting better every day right like it's by training It's by developing those habits of, okay, so this is my weak spot. Let me strengthen that weak spot. I'm not fast enough here. Let me work on getting faster. So the only way to get to that beloved state championship is by working every single day and not just during a game. It's not just – And it's not results based. I think I guess that's the I guess that's my thing is it's like I'm trying to the way I see it. We shouldn't be focused on results as much as we are focused on the process. Yeah. And I don't disagree.

I'm just saying from a standpoint of if your goal isn't to be state champion, I'm not wasting my time telling you to do things. to be state champion if you're not going to you're not going to get there but on the other hand when you're talking daily habits and supersonic was asking about me being a coach yes i i coached cross country and wrestling and i have coached uh state champions in wrestling a two-time state champion in wrestling and also a cross-country state champion so uh i do know how to set things up and i'll just i'll just use the example with from cross country It takes three weeks to get in running shape and three days to get out of running shape. So in the off season, when you're not in a sport, never go three days without running. And never run more run unless you're just coming up on an event. Never run more than 10 days in a row. You need to take a break every 10 days. So there's the cap on one end. There's a cap on the other. And the off season training is run 45 minutes. That's it. run 45 minutes a day i'm not counting your warm-up i'm not counting your cool down i'm not counting stretching your run is 45 minutes that's it all you need to know is every day i run 45 minutes and you will all automatically get better if you do that every day so you talk we're talking about the discipline this is the basis for it if you want to be a good runner now if you want to be state champion you need to do more than that But if you just want to be in running shape, that's what you go do. If you want to get better every year, that's what you go do. That's the baseline for improvement is very small and simple. If I want to excel at it, I need to do more. So we're talking about consistency. If I want to be a partner on Twitch, there's a whole lot more that I'm not doing that I need to commit to in order to get to partner. I'd love for it to happen, but I'm not ready to sacrifice those things I need to make it.

So. And that's the thing. It's good to have the goal of becoming a partner. I'd love to be a partner one day. Okay, so what do I have to do to get there? Okay, there's a lot of things that I have to do to get there. Am I willing to do those things right now? Probably not. And that's on me, but the focus is, okay, so the goal – it's a nice goal to be partner. Okay, so what do you need to become partner? Okay, so the consistency, the schedule, the general vision of the stream, which is important to have, right? And so all those things need to be worked on on a day-to-day basis. in a habit in a habit way uh in order to uh to to to to get there and so so that's this is that's that's a lot that's some of the the things that i'm working on right now sort of to uh be consistent in my life for the first time in my life you know and so so uh in in In all the areas, right, of my life. And so, and streams have been part of my life, a very good part of my life for a long time. And so I'm trying to be consistent there. You know, when I was going through, when I was on my way out of these struggles that I had, you know, you sort of assess your life and you think about the values that you have, right? Like, what do you value, right? What do you value? And and and it's funny how, you know, if you struggle with an addiction, it's funny how your addiction is not one of your values. So why why are you why are you choosing that over the things that you value the most? Right. And so so that was a big guy opener for me as well. And so, yeah, addiction. So often.

either are giving you something that you perceive and it's not always the best thing that you're you're getting or they're a way to escape something else so it's either you're trying to get something that's a substitute for something you're missing or you're going to an addiction for avoidance so it's it's it's a craving or it's an avoidance in some ways yeah and one of the key things um

You know, it's that that helped me is yeah, is is is understanding like don't don't think about don't think about the bad things that your addiction has caused. Think think about the problems that it's solving.

What problems is your addiction solving?

And I'm not saying alcohol abuse is solving any problems. What I'm saying is what is it covering up? so you focus on that so what are you trying to escape you you said you know alcohol is is used for escape it really it really does any kind of addiction is really a moment uh to a way to sort of escape reality okay so what and it successfully does that it successfully numbs you from the reality that is your life and so so so focus on you know so so okay so what am i trying to avoid what am i running away from um what what what am i trying to hide from and so coming to that you know actually thinking about those things and going deep and the reasonings why and okay so what what are the problems that alcohol is solving oh I'm isolating myself because I'm fearful. I'm self-conscious. I struggle with low self-esteem. Okay, so why do I struggle with low self-esteem? So you go through this process of self-evaluation and introspection that helps you understand why you felt that way and why you felt you needed that escape in order to…

The addiction can also start prior to what you use. So the addiction could have started earlier than what you're trying to use it to cover up or to escape or to do where you just inadvertently realize, wow, I just feel more at ease around people and I'm less self-conscious when I've had a few drinks and I like being less self-conscious. Then it becomes the addiction later on. So there are things that could have been a discovery process along the way, but then you start doing things that are abusive with something that was just a discovery because, well, I'm going to go to this. And, yeah, there's so many layers to whatever your addiction is.

um and how you get introduced to something what your coping mechanisms are your purse like there's so much we could and i'm not an expert in this yeah yeah so yeah yeah it's it's it's wild it's wild it it's interesting for me because i i wasn't uh obviously my you know my father uh struggled with you know alcohol addiction he's been sober for almost 20 years now but so so i've i've had it in my blood you know the possibility of that but i'm a person that came into you know that started drinking when he was like 12 years old started i i would i would be able to have a you know a glass of wine with a friend once a year and not bad an eye like i did not i did not uh I did not struggle with alcohol my entire life. I started struggling with alcohol later in life. So when life got real – Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at.

Something can be under control, and at some point – a trigger happens that you start to use something in a different way than you had used it previous to it that was that was that was my bigger point that i was trying to get at and and we're not always sitting there intentionally going oh let me just do this it is it can be self-conscious or subconscious that we we begin to practice something and Hopefully, along the way, as we begin to veer off into abuse of something before it is addiction, we have friends and family that will confront us. And I know we're not always in the right space to accept that and receive that we have a problem because we will always be able to compare ourselves to somebody else who has a bigger problem than us.

welcome raiders i appreciate y'all we're we're doing a special day here we are we normally we're we're we yap and we game uh during our streams and uh uh now we're doing oh Sarah, thank you for the follow. We're doing some strictly yapping with a special podcast episode with our good friend, Flat Cap. And we're Flat Cap Dapper Pastor. You're fine saying it shorter. That's fine. That's fine.

You don't have to say the whole thing. Sarah Sleepy, welcome in. For those that don't know who came in with Mad Mama, I am Flat Cap Dapper Pastor. I am streaming on to the Church Digital. We are a digital missionary sending agency, and I have a podcast called Control Alt Redeem where I bring on friends from Twitch, and we talk about what it's like to intentionally... be a Christian in a space that is not intentionally Christian. And so love having you come in and we stop and celebrate the things that Twitch streamers celebrate. So love the raid coming in. And I gave you a shout out as well on my side.

Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. I know the two of you mainly from other streams. Yep. That's how our communities overlap a lot. Yep. Which is great because mainly because of reach. Right. And so, so.

Welcome. You see me induced? Yeah. Well, like I said, to begin with, like a lot of the people that I shouldn't say a lot, a lot of the people that were in reach the first year were people that I already knew before reach. And and then there was maybe 15, 20 that I did not know. And since year one, it is expanded. And I still don't know everybody that's in reach. And if and if we're going to get to 500 tickets this year, I probably won't know everybody that's in reach this year. So.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, we're already close to 500 already, and it was crazy. Yeah, I think, yeah, everybody that I met, most people that I met at Reach IRL were people that I at least saw a little bit of or heard of in other streams through raids and things like that.

So, yeah, yeah, it's a good time. It definitely is. We were talking about... Just to catch everybody up that just came in, we were talking about difficulties and struggles and we were talking about, you know, overcoming those. And so I, since we just came in with the raid, why don't we go to talk about reach for a minute. And then after talking about reach, if there's just any stories that, that, you know, and the computer and all that will be a blessing. So that's where I'm like, Oh, we'll just go there. But if there's any other stories, about how something happened that was just a blessing in your community that you want to share if there's another one of those stories you'd be able to share. So you weren't in Reach the first year. How did you first get connected with Reach and make the decision to go last year to Reach?

We're going to get more personal, and it's okay. Is it okay if I get up and use the restroom real quick? The coffee is like going straight through me, and I really want to focus on this, focus on what I'm about to say. It's not a break. I just need to do that, yeah.

I always say hopefully the camera will stay on this time. That's all I'm going to say.

Oh, yeah. At least we know how to fix it now.

We know how to fix it this time. Okay. I'll switch scenes in a while.

But be here, Chad. Be here, Chad, because I do want to share this. This is probably the most personal I'll ever be in chat. So anyways, I'll be right back.

all right well anybody who came over if you had questions have other things to you want to talk about that's fine in the meantime as you know what let me just find i'm going to change my well let me do this instead i'm going to go to image and pull that up on my screen let me find the image i want so i can talk about this no that's not what i want uh there we go that's the one i want okay i want to pop this on screen and those that are on the other side wow that's really big i need to change that those that are on the other side oh i'm not using that that won't work bummer uh anyway i am doing a course called equipping digital missionaries let me figure out how to make this smaller and so equipping digital missionaries i could put it on my screen but i'm not putting it on the other i gotta figure out how to do that a second i know what to do but it'll take me a second so i'm trying to talk while i do that and oops wrong thing And, Luce, as I did see you come in, so good to have you here, friend. Hope you are doing well. So there we go. I've got it on my screen. I've got to figure out how to put it on. Start virtual cam. Okay. Am I back? You're back already? Okay. Anyway, I was trying to fill time and put something on my screen, but I couldn't figure out yet how to share it on your screen.

Yeah, I just couldn't focus. Oh, I get that.

Yeah. Let me just finish. I drink too much coffee. I know you could see it on my screen. I just wasn't sharing it on Will's screen. So I was just going to mention I have a course that's starting on Monday for equipping digital missionaries.

so if you are interested in that uh dm me and i'll talk about it more at the end of the podcast so so yeah um yeah what got me into reach um well first of all yeah i think i got into reach through how most people got into reach uh uh romans pitched it to me um right at the beginning at the onset of it And honestly, I wasn't in a position on my personal life to really invest and be part of REACH the way I would want to be part of REACH. And so I sat out the first conference and was – Did you do the alpha course?

the first year or not no i didn't i didn't i don't even know what it is okay so yeah yeah that was part of the pitch uh initially with uh reach conference was a bunch of streamers who were going to do the alpha course and alpha is an introductory course to the christian faith So do it in your stream, do it in your Discord, whittled it down to an eight-week thing to participate in and have conversations.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. Okay, I remember now. I remember now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That idea was pitched. Yeah, that idea was pitched. But again, I wasn't in a place to do that at that time. and so i didn't i didn't do it um i still followed reach still followed obviously the creators uh within reach and and things like that um i just i i couldn't do it i couldn't invest uh the time uh needed uh to do that and so uh for um for this year it just uh a lot of things you know happened obviously in my personal life, which led me to be at Reach this year, this past year, which was a blessing. It all turned out to be just a huge blessing. But I was – obviously I talked about my struggles with alcohol and how it made me pretty much lose everything, hope. everything but my family and my wife. Well, obviously, one of the things I lost during this whole process was my career during this time. I used to work for an NGO. um that that did work in brazil a christian organization um that that were that worked uh in the amazon of brazil and uh did that for goodness you know about 13 about 13 years non-government organization a non-profit a non-profit Sonic and did that I mean since I was a kid essentially I started leading the organization at 19 years old right and so and so it was a lot of stuff I grew up a little faster than many people have in life and so But one of the downsides of growing up fast is that you get so caught up in – I feel like you get so caught up in performing and doing the things for other people, other responsibilities that you don't work on yourself. You don't find out some of the things that are wrong within yourself. and um uh they they catch up with you they catch up with you the insecurities the character flaws the the the the different struggles that you have um they they get if you don't work on them you you they catch up to you and so when life got real fast real quick for me um was especially uh uh during um you know i got married right i was uh dating this beautiful woman for uh many many years um and we finally got married and then life got like super serious because now i'm like i'm i'm a married man i've got a household to support and all that kind of stuff And I spiraled. I crashed and burned very quickly, very quickly. So in that process, I came to the States to work and get just a daily job to – to send money home, to send money back home and help support the family. And I ended up not being able to provide as much as I did before, but I was trying to do what I could. So, you know, I ended up working my way back down to Brazil to be with my wife and for us to start working on our marriage for the first time and since almost the beginning of the marriage. We didn't have a good marriage at all because of my issues. and struggles um i work my way back down to brazil and uh with the last year with the intention of working um uh on my marriage well I gave back down to Brazil, and the doors for that restoration and that reconciliation were completely shut. They were completely shut, and rightfully so. My wife was tired, was tired of it, and didn't believe in a real change and whatnot. I ended up getting there and it wasn't going to work out. It wasn't going to work out. And after a few months of just not being able to make any headway with my life, I was just like, I need to go. I need to leave. I can't be here. I can't be here. If it's not going to work, if I have to start over, I have to figure it out. And I had no place to go in Brazil because my family is all here in the United States. And so that turning point was essentially – I made the decision that I that I had to leave. And so I contacted my family and it was like, you know, it's over. I'm heading to I'm heading back to the States. And when I bought my ticket to the States. Um, my marriage was over and it was right around the time that reach was happening. And so I thought, okay, so I, I need to be with people who think like me and, and I felt, I just felt I needed to be at reach. I felt I needed to be at reach. for many reasons, but I just felt like since I'm going back to the States and I'm starting over, let my first stop be in Orlando where Reach is going to happen. It's crazy how all this happened right around that time. so when i made the decision and i bought the ticket um my marriage was over yeah and uh uh but the moment just within like a month before reaching you bought the ticket or was that further out i thought it was

Pretty close. Ten days before reach.

Ten days before reach. Ten days before reach, I bought the ticket one day, told her that I was leaving the next day, and something happened. uh the the prayers started getting answered the the the heart started softening and and we started having deeper conversations we started having more real conversations We hadn't talked except for good morning, good night for months. But then we started actually having deeper conversations and things like that. And so I – But I decided – so by the end of it, by the time I was about to leave Brazil, the door was opened to be like, hey, we're – you go to the States because I still had to figure out income and… And things like that. And obviously, at the time, I couldn't afford even a ticket to go to the States. So I had my family help me. So I was like, I can't just not go. People have mobilized so many resources for me to be here. And so I hopped on the plane, but I hopped on the plane with a path to recover and restore this relationship. And obviously I got to reach and, you know, got to spend time with you, got to spend time with, you know, Anki and some of the people that I love so much within our communities. And obviously I got the blessing of the gaming PC, which has helped with my streams.

You were along the lines of, do I even go back into streaming? Should I go into streaming? oh yeah oh yeah and so like i i remember you saying this is like confirmation i'm supposed to go and and work on and do streaming i'm not supposed to abandon it and i'm like i love how god you weren't the only one at reach it had some of those things of hey this is confirmation i'm supposed to go do something because a resource was given to me that was needed in order to actually go do something uh you know the first year and the second year both both times people uh received a a blessing of something that they didn't know they were going to receive so the first year going to to reach i had just put out there hey i'm looking for a vr headset does somebody have an old one that they're no longer using that that i could check it out and i was i was intending to be able to give them you know a fair amount if i could scrounge it up to pay for that but you know i had had romans say yeah i got an old one i got a vive i don't remember it's vibe 2 or vibe 3 whatever it is it's all plug-in it's nothing you know wireless and So I get that from him. I come back. I start using it, and then I end up upgrading. So I'm like, oh, I brought it back the second year, put it in a box. The box happened to be Mary Kay box. So it was up there for the price is right. And the one person who won it was super excited because she thought she was getting Mary Kay, where her husband had been praying for getting a VR headset. So when she opened it up, it was an answer to prayer that could not have happened any other way because nobody knew what it was. I mean, I had it written on the side that said Vive on there, but you're just looking at Mary Kay box. Mary Kay has makeup, supersonic. So she thought she was getting a box full of makeup, which I could have brought, by the way, because she has some that was going to expire or doesn't use. So, yeah, she thought she was getting a box of makeup. Instead, her husband got a VR headset to be able to use. So I love those little things like that. And I know it's like, oh, I won the PC.

but like there's ways that god gives us little assurances and nuggets that we're in his will we we're not outside of it and and i i just love the i just love that for you man i i yeah i i one of the struggles that i had in streaming is because i couldn't game i couldn't do it in my laptop obviously you know was was barely handling the stream um you know by itself and so obviously if i wanted to to and i i've talked to chat about this all you know a bunch but but you know if i if i wanted to continue streaming i did need i would need a new pc you know and um and so uh or i need a gaming pc or something and i would need at least an upgrade to my laptop or something like that and so for this to happen like even it's still surreal for me because it's like when i was at the price is nice or whatever i was about to when i had to do that hole-in-one yeah to to win the pc i at that point i'm i was still like i was still like i mean i'm not gonna get this it's like it's like what's what what is this you know and so uh uh when so it's still surreal to me that i got it and it was just like i have a gaming pc i'm looking at it right now and i'm just like This is crazy. And for me to download a game and to play it at good quality and just share it with chat and be able to do the other things that I do was just amazing. So it has also allowed me to work from it. And so it gave me this renewed confirmation that streaming is a good – it's something that I need to keep doing or that I want to keep doing. And now I'm equipped to be able to do it. And then when I got here, my financial situation also changed for the good, and I found a good source of income that will – that also – that allows me to stream, that allows me to stream, work from home, and stream and do all that and provide, which is the most important thing, and provide for the household and things like that. And that all happened after I came to the States. And so my whole life in the last three months has changed completely for the good in the last three months, literally three months. So now I'm essentially just waiting. The only reason I'm not in Brazil right now is because my little brother is having his first child in a couple of weeks. And so I want to be here for that. At the beginning, it was because I didn't have money to go to Brazil. Now it's like I want to go tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? I'll go back home tomorrow. But I just wanted to wait for the new niece coming in. So yeah, it's just – oh, I'm already an uncle four times. uh this is this is just my little brother it's his first child you know uh my middle brother he's he's he's he's doing what god called him to do you know be fruitful and multiply because he multiplying um but but uh so uh uh so so so yeah so that's that's uh that's sort of What got me to reach wasn't a good thing. It wasn't a positive thing. But the way God has sort of turned things around in such an incredible way, it's hard for me to even process, really. It's hard.

I don't think I've ever... You're still in the middle of it in some ways, too. You know, the... just gonna leave get on a plane and go you haven't even been able to then necessarily go back home and be reconciled you've only got the yeah we're ready we're both in the same place and and wanting to work on this which is like people that do not understand Often one person is in a place, and I've dealt with marriage counseling and people that end up divorced numerous times, where one person doesn't see the same problems the other person does. One person is trying to work on things for a long time. The other person may go through the motions but doesn't really understand the problems. And I'm not saying, I'm not putting blame here. I'm just talking about the way that things unfold. And then the person who's been trying to work on things for years comes to their tipping point and they stop it doesn't mean the divorce happens right away they might settle into any kind of whatever it is i'm resolved to this like it sounded like a little bit of a hello and good night and that's it and we're just exist this way coexist but at some point when the one person who's been working on the marriage for a long time decides they've had enough and they're ready to leave they do it usually doesn't come back from that point that the other person can because they're exhausted they're tired they have nothing left or like you were talking about didn't believe it was possible so didn't want to get her hopes up again perhaps um and and try because it hasn't worked before So if you have a good marriage… She had checked out.

She had checked out completely, and that's why I think it's a – I believe it's just a completely God thing. Oh, I totally agree with you. It's a God thing because she had checked out completely, and… was absolutely over uh with it and it it and it broke my heart but also i understood right like it there's no and you see this this story repeats itself with uh all the time with other people it's like the person finally decides to change their lives but the other person is already checked out and there's nothing you can do about it and then it happens and i just thought that was that was happening to me right um uh and so Because, again, I had nothing to offer as far as – the only thing I could offer at the time was unconditional love and help and just helping around the house and doing and offering chip change here and there as far as income. And when I left… With the door open for reconciliation, I still had nothing to offer. So it's not like now that I have a job or something, now that I have income, things got better. No, I still had nothing when I got here. um so yeah it's been it's been it's been great it's been great uh to do that you know so i'm looking forward to getting back and actually having our first good year of marriage uh so so um uh but uh so yeah it's it's it's been it's been quite uh a wild ride for sure uh since i since i got here so so And it's been a blessing for the stream in a way as far as me being able to dedicate time to stream because where in the past it was just like, oh man, I got to make streaming work because I've got – I needed to pay my bills, and now it's not the case anymore. I don't have that pressure. to make stream work to pay the bills right and so and i think that's going to be i think that's a key thing for anybody trying to get into content creation don't do it for the money and don't do it try to make money at the beginning just do it in order to to have a fantastic uh community develop the cool stream in your own way with your own personality and do it But, but, but, and, and, and will it pay the bills one day? Maybe. And even if it doesn't, you may, you're still doing something cool, uh, on the internet. So, um, so, so that, that, that flip as well, you know, uh, also helped me in my, my journey for sure. Yeah.

Like I said, you're still in the middle of that piece of you haven't got to fully resolve, but yeah, once you are able to get back home and make that shift. What a blessing to have a company that you find that you can work remote from and they're also fine with you working remote in another country. Yeah. That is also a big thing because there are plenty of companies that do let some people work remote, but not always overseas. And some of the reasons sometimes you can't go overseas is because of different Internet providers and security issues and breaches that can happen within secured systems. So you cannot always have access to other countries if you're working overseas. So to be able to do that. Right. Man, that's going to be a blessing. Oh, yeah.

to take the job wherever you go yeah yeah i can take it wherever i go well and and i'll i'll be transparent like it's not i don't uh i work for myself all right i work for myself it's i don't work for for for a company specifically it's it's uh i work you know in finances and so so i'm able to so almost like an asset manager if you will and so so so uh so i do i do get to determine my own hours essentially and so um and it's it's it's uh it's great it's been great so so far

What were some other things that were highlights for you at REACH, other moments of blessing that you might have had or just experiences that were just refreshing for you to be a part of?

Man, as far as Reach is concerned, the worship at the end of the day, those were fantastic moments. Obviously, the different keynote speakers that we had there talking about not just the industry but just personal life as well and how they kind of tied their faith to what – whatever they were doing, that was, that was, uh, those were fantastic, but just being able to hug, um, people that you've known for years, uh, and, and, and, and see them in, in person and, and get to chat with them other than through a keyboard or, you know, a video call or whatever that. That was, for me, one of the biggest, if not the biggest highlight, I guess, of Reach. But the environment of Reach, of just everybody there having the same... mindset. They sort of understand each other. They know what they did. They know what you're going through. They understand what you're going through. You understand your struggles as far as like the streaming space and and the limitations and the difficulties. So to be able to share openly about. Streaming and the content space and the person you're talking to understands exactly what you're doing. Like if I talk about streaming with my wife, she doesn't understand or care about any of this stuff. So it's – even my family members, they love that I do what I do, but they don't get it either, right? And so…

but it's just it's often that way when you go off to work and you come home and your spouse doesn't understand what you do i mean my my wife was a registered nurse so while i could conceptually understand you know that she helps women deliver babies i don't understand the medical terms that she throws around uh you know over time i gradually start to pick up on stuff but yeah like if you're not doing it you know it's it's really hard to fully know what the other person is experiencing unless you do it which is one reason you know that i i love about reach is we have a bunch of people who are walking the same journey to end we can walk alongside each other's i do the same thing with pastors and put pastors into to small groups together because nobody understands what a pastor goes through other than another pastor you know nobody understands what it's like to be a twitch christian streamer other than other twitch christian streamers so yeah it's it's so so so that yeah being able to um

people who to be around and and fellowship with people who speak your language and understand your language uh was great it was it was fantastic so um yeah so there are many things you know just just just the the everything about reach was fantastic you know what i'm saying so so um i loved it i loved it the the you know the uh uh Yeah, it's hard to just pick one thing, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, definitely lots. Like for me, I'm just going to say it's the conversations. I had so many great conversations with so many people, unplanned, unexpected, and many of them a blessing every conversation because you get to know people, you get to hear their heart, you get to share with them, you get to be just... bound together in a deeper way you know i can't wait till next year and get to reconnect with a bunch of people uh again and and then there's this like okay i'm busy now doing life i'm busy now doing streaming you're busy doing the same like we haven't had one-on-one chat, so to speak, since then. We've been in group chats together, but we haven't done a one-on-one, or we've been in Discord chats together, but we haven't done a one-on-one. That's what I really loved about that, is just that intimacy of doing chats with other people together.

Oh, it was fantastic. Yeah. You know, one of the turning points for me is like it was speaking to you. Right. When I share with you what happened. Right. And that moment where because I was holding it in. nobody knew right when i was at reach nobody knew what i was going through um and and so the opportunity came to hey you know if you need prayer right if you need you know just just come and pray with one of one of our pastors thankfully reach is full of awesome pastors right and so uh And so I was still, I was just holding it in. I was tired of hiding. And so I had to speak, you know, with somebody. And so, you know, God led me to you. And so it was like a big weight just, you know, kind of lifted off my shoulders. And, yeah, it was a big, big. you know, awesome moment, I guess, uh, in reach for me a hundred percent. Yeah.

It was definitely a blessing, uh, to be on the other side of that too. Um, I've already had a night saber, uh, on the podcast. So, uh, we talked about the, the worship and the prayer time and all of that. And like, Like being on the other side, even be the person listening, be the person praying. I've never had an experience the same way as I did it there. And it wasn't like planned and it didn't happen, you know, perfectly. Or I don't think I could orchestrate it again. Like, you know, like I could go into this and make this happen again because it won't. uh but he came up and he just gave me the biggest hug and we like hugged for like five minutes or whatever to start with and i think you came in after him or maybe you were the third person and that was the exact same thing it's like we just started with a hug like everybody that came up for prayer with me was like a like a three to five minute hug not like this oh you know like hello it was just like we are hugging it out and we are praying it out and the spirit is here and it's like man that was like so good i i can't even begin to describe that and it was like man it was just like wow god god was in that moment for for me to be used uh i like i can't duplicate that like only the spirit could make that happen again

Mm hmm. Yeah. And that's why I'm looking forward to reach 2026, you know. And so I got my tickets and, you know, for it, I got a I got a second ticket and. The plan is to take my wife, but I don't think she can take the nerdiness, as much nerdiness as Reach has to offer. And so I might give that away at some point. But I went ahead and got the special ticket or whatever with all the pluses with the discount and all that kind of stuff. So we'll see. I might do a giveaway in chat, but yeah, I'm looking forward to reach this year for sure. If anything, to come to reach under different circumstances. Yeah, that will definitely be...

Well, the other side of that, even if she can't handle the nerdiness of the whole time, to just come and understand and see for herself. Because maybe there's one or two speakers that she wants to hear, but she doesn't hang around with all of the gaming and the other stuff. So there still could be a blessing for her. I wouldn't just dismiss it.

uh you know wait and see yeah there's always time to give away the ticket if you want to and when i say under different circumstances it's not not just you know oh your life is a different circumstance yeah yeah it's just a different different circumstance i think you know we talk a lot about consistency a lot we talk a lot about you know the different uh you know the directions of streams and stuff like that and and in content creation i feel like uh come all right Being at Reach this year... you know going to reach this year and uh i'm kind of using reach as a almost like a uh achievement like end goal achievement where where by the time i get to reach i want to have you know these different things working out right the the consistency the type of content the direction the things like that so so so so being able to go um and being at uh at least at the at a good not i don't have not not a goals as in size as far as like how big the stream is going to be how you know or anything like that but just goals isn't like This is what I'm doing. I found my niche, and I'm investing in it, and so I can actually talk about it and hopefully help somebody as well because that's a lot of what Reach is about too is just us helping each other.

in uh the content space and and trying to well that kind of ties into the question i i usually ask what are you looking forward to uh you know doing new on your stream this year so you're kind of talking about putting some of those things so you do have do you have some concrete things and i know you're more about the daily uh habits so are there some new habits in streaming you're trying to implement this year i mean other than getting the consistency down um i do uh my my

I want to have more intentional just chatting times. So have more intentional streams because a lot of what my streams are, the just chatting portion of my streams are very random, very… I don't know. It's just random. It's not prepared enough. It's just I have a bunch of tabs open. We go through the tabs and chat about them. And it has turned into great conversations and great yapping sessions, if you will. But I do want to be more intentional about what I talk about. uh and and and get a have a point for every stream i guess i have a have a a key point i want to or subject that i want to talk about for that stream and i want to do a better job you know being a variety gamer. You know what I'm saying? Right now, I'm focused on Ark just because I love that game. But I also love other games as well. You know what I'm saying? And I have a huge backlog of games. So I want to be able to just play... Do a better job playing more games and, you know, kind of doing that variety as well. But I do want to get the just chatting down a little better, I guess, is what I'm looking forward to in my personal streams for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even if it's just half an hour of more focused chatting and the rest is gaming, whatever. But I just want to be more intentional about that.

They're definitely – and I've seen people who have a certain day of the week that's a certain topic. I think Christian Ninja – has had i don't know if he still does has weird wednesday so as he's been around the internet for the last week he brings up tabs of weird things that uh he wants to look at and and and go through so there so it's like oh i can look forward to i know what's going to be there it is is a wonderful thing uh or uh i do a segment at the beginning or i do a segment at the end and here's that segment that that's the key word segments

That's a keyword, segment, is to actually have segment instead of this random thing that I have right now, which is just clicking go live and chatting about whatever I see on the internet. You know what I'm saying? um uh that can be that that's good and i'm very thankful for people like chizo and typo and like it just be people people in in my chat who sort of carry the just chatting segments by by by um participating um in in in what what what we're talking about Because otherwise I'm just talking to myself and I'm talking about things by myself. And that's very difficult to do. And so I've been very fortunate to have awesome community members who are there almost every stream. And I don't have, you know, I get to not be talking to myself as much. So I end up having good, just good, good conversations. Carry chat. Chat carries the stream pretty much. You know, chat does the heavy lifting for sure. Yeah. So I've been fortunate to have an awesome chat that participates in chats. But we're a very lurker-friendly chat too. That's the difficult part about my stream. I talked about this before. I say I'm yapping my way into your second monitor, right? That's sort of like the catchphrase. Yeah. Yeah, my stream is very second monitor, second screen vibes. Even chaotic games like Ark Raiders, I sort of make it chill just by the way I play the game. And so that's a very difficult thing because it is a channel that's so easy to lurk in. So you do end up talking to yourself a lot because it's just like... Yeah, I mean, I'm reading the Bible. They just like... Yeah. yeah i'll read i'll read i'll read i'll read you know i'll rate somebody that's why my my my my uh raid message is usually lurker gang because i can rate somebody with 20 people and those 20 people are lurking they're not going to be chatting in your chat you know what i'm saying so pretty funny uh yeah so uh do do wanna to wrap it up uh here this has been fantastic we've had a few tech issues along the way but great conversation of course i mean i'm glad it's kind of funny it's kind of funny that i talked about how i have a tech issue every single stream and even when i'm in your your podcast yeah my my stuff breaks you know so so it's very on par to to to my my type of content i guess so

yeah maybe maybe you should have uh you know when you when you came up with the name to be to begin with it could have been something like you know tech probs you know that's just your streamer name is tech probs but what's gonna break today yeah yeah what is gonna break today Yeah, I saw your question, Supersonic. I have not thought about what I want to experience different this year than the previous two years. I don't know enough to think about that yet. I know you're saying cosplay, which is something you didn't do. I haven't thought about it yet to know what I would want to do this year.

yeah i try not to set expectations to be honest uh as far as like what to you know what to expect and stuff like that it's just um i i i you know that's that's kind of a mentality i've i've uh tried to live by is just uh you know is is not not having like huge expectations and and and being thankful and content when something crazy happens. You know what I'm saying? Again, up until the moment I was about to hit that hole in one, I still wasn't expecting to get it. You know what I'm saying? So it's just, yeah.

Cheeso 2K, a new hat.

Boy, I'd be down for a new hat.

Yeah. That would be hilarious. It would be hilarious to just have prizes are all hats.

up there but there's only one flat cap for a for a game like i would need to win like it would be you know i i you know anyway yeah uh yeah yeah yeah yeah to what typo to what typo said you know about you know you know hearing the good vibes and and background you know will help um you know in ways that sometimes you don't even know i mean that's that's that's That's how I'm blessed. I've been blessed on Twitch. A lot of the creators that have helped me through some of these tough times and giving me a right word or a good encouragement.

uh these streamers don't know that they've done that to me right uh they don't additionally help me in that way yeah additionally as we were talking earlier about some really serious stuff and some navigation through it and and some blessings from god and prayer that come alongside of that there's going to be people that hopefully wander into this, you know, when it's a VOD and it does the same thing there. And unless they post in the chat, we'll never know that, you know, that your and that's your encouragement of what you went through and your being in the coming off the other side of that, all of those struggles in life. We have we're going to have no idea this side of eternity. How many people are going to be blessed by this conversation we had today?

Yeah, and I think at the end of the day, as far as my streams are concerned, that's, you know, like what Typo says, I appreciate you saying that, you know, and typing that because it is one of the hopes I have, you know, in the stream. is that yeah you know they can they can they can put the stream on leave it lurking and then somehow some way uh they can leave the stream when they do leave um a little better than when they came in right uh or at least not worse right so yeah yeah

Definitely.

And it's not like – and I don't structure my stream that way like, oh, how can I bless somebody today? No, it's more like I hope that the vibe of the chat is good, that they can maybe leave life at the door and hang out and relax and put their guard down and just – and are able to just hang out and – hopefully get something positive out of it today if if anything it's you know you know watching me die in stupid ways on arc i don't know it's just uh it's it's it's uh um it i don't know so yeah so i appreciate you guys i appreciate you i appreciate my community in an amazing way. I love this little corner of the internet that we have, and I look forward to keep doing that. And I just want to be more intentional about it, more structured, I guess, in a way, and more, yeah.

just do a better job right just do a better job um at it right so yeah uh well i did say i was gonna um talk a little bit more uh at the end about equipping digital missionaries so it is a course that the church digital has designed so it's not just for streamers it's for anybody in different realms so we have missionaries who are physical missionaries in countries that are closed countries and they're trying to figure out how to use digital tools but if you're already online doing things see one of the things that i think and this is me not the church digital is that we had a reformation that took the bible out of the hands of clergy and put it in the hands of people is we need another reformation that takes the ministry out of the hands of clergy and professionals and puts it in the hands of people. And people like Will Pogg and others who are in REACH community are already doing this. They are taking ministry and going and doing it, and they're not professionals. And that's what God wants us to be doing. And so with equipping digital missionaries, it's just if you've had no training on how to think as a missionary, we help you think through. We're not telling you the way to do it. We're telling you the way and helping you have conversations to process through where you are and how you can apply missionary mindset and thinking. to using digital sources and tools that you have helping you you know and this is just alignment with with reach in a lot of ways of who's the one person you're trying to reach on your stream how do you figure out who that is so we're not giving you the streaming skills we're giving you the missionary mindset skills so if anyone's interested in that it's the church.digital slash edm or DM me. I'll send you a link to be in my class specifically. I start on Monday. If you can't start on Monday and you can't be there at 1030 a.m. Eastern, don't worry about it. There's more courses that will be happening. It's a five or six week course, five weeks of material. We meet for six weeks. So we meet initially on Monday because coming up will be. hey, who is everybody? Let's find out who you are and what you do. And then we'll move forward and progress through five weeks of material and then hopefully continue to be in connection as you're doing ministry going forward. So at this point, there's no charge. There's no charge for it in the future. There probably will be a charge for it. So I'm also testing it on a new platform and I'm testing it before everybody else. So I get to go break the tech of it, which by beta testing the new platform that we're using, we're doing it inside of our CRM. So that'll be fun.

I have a niece that is training to fly helicopters because she wants to be able to do mission work that requires flight. I wish I had – wow, that is amazing. I know some people in aviation ministry, and yeah, that's a lot of dedication. That is a lot of dedication. And preparation necessary to do that is for sure. And I wish I had that devotion. I mean, yeah, it's – when somebody connects with – uh something that's like bigger than themselves um it's it's the the motivation that comes from that excuse me the motivation that comes from that is supernatural to say the least i mean quite literally is supernatural and uh uh but um When you have a mission or a purpose that is bigger than yourselves, but bigger than yourself, it can motivate you to do some crazy stuff, for sure. Definitely, definitely. I think way back... I do not miss CRM from the nonprofit sector. There's not many things that I miss from the nonprofit sector, but CRM is one of the things I don't miss.

Yeah. So there's, I think, so many people out there doing things. And what I love about digital is that people aren't waiting to get permission to do things. The Holy Spirit is moving people, and they're just moving and saying yes. and so to me that is super exciting i can't wait to see what happens in the next 20 years uh i like ministry is going to be so different 20 years from now and what is happening in digital is laying the groundwork for what ministry is going to be like globally uh in 20 years from now Not to say that what's happening already and what we've inherited is bad. We are just moving at a lightning pace with the evolution of tech, the evolution of AI. So we're just responding where God is leading us. And I think we need more people so that we're responding to people that, like, because, Will, you have different people in your stream than I have in mine. And I'm not going to reach the same people you reach. You know, I'm reading the Bible. I draw a different crowd.

I draw people that— I talk about—and I do poop jokes.

Yeah, it's different.

Yeah, it's quite different.

Well, I do have the Ark Book of Riddles that I do on my stream. Nice. Those are all Bible jokes that are usually bad dad jokes, but from the Bible.

The landscape is changing, and for the church's sake, if you're not flexible, you'll break. You will break. And so, yeah. Church is not adapting to what's happening in the world and how fast it's moving. The church is going to struggle to make any kind of influence in the world, any positive influence.

yeah it also it also needs to have a place of relevance in people's life and if we can't show our relevance because we isolate ourselves and we never have contact with people it it's really hard that's what i one thing i was mentioning is because i'm reading the bible in a gaming platform it is safe for a muslim an atheist a sikh any other religion to come in who's curious about the bible who can't walk into a church because the assumption will be they're there to become a christian they can't do that safely where they live they can safely come into my stream And it's no big deal because nobody's walking over their shoulder. There's nobody down the street watching them go in there. It is safe to come in. And if they're curious, learn. So it's unique in that way.

It's very, very unique, and I love it. I was lurking in your channel earlier this morning. I was about to say something, and I thought, okay, he'll be here. I was going to say good morning, looking forward to the day, and I went to take a shower, and when I got back, you had rated out already. Some jokes are very bad. Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the jokes in my chat are very bad. Yeah.

Supersonic. If you're in a Muslim country and you're Muslim, you can't walk into a church. Everybody's going to like you're you might be under threat of death. if you were to do something like that. So that's what I'm saying is that some people whose religion is not Christian cannot openly go and learn about Christianity. They can't go and openly read the Bible. They need to do it in a platform and a place that does not have any threats on them so that nobody can see them go to the church or meet with a pastor in public and have any worries. So they can be curious but have no access to Christianity.

Yeah, there are some places in the world where When you – if you come to Christ, if you convert to Christianity, if you give your life to Christ, there are some countries, especially in Southeast Asia, where the person is encouraged to write down a list of people. the the list of people who are least likely to kill them for them coming to christ so so so it's a very serious business there's very very a lot of it's very high stakes in many countries we take it for granted that that you know where we live that you know it's easy to have a relationship with Christ. But a lot of places in the world, your life can be at risk for doing so. So, yeah.

And your question there of tracking your alias is they it depends on country, whether you have an alias that they can know or not know if they're tracking you or not tracking you. It's going to be country specific if you can protect your anonymity or not. But even so. There are countries that will just ban anything that's Christian from being on the internet. They're not banning Twitch because it's not Christian. It's a gaming platform. So it's a safe place. Like, oh, no, no, I just have Twitch open. I just have Twitch. Nobody is watching over their shoulder because they're watching Twitch and thinking it's Christian. So it's a place that they can stumble into it and explore it without having any threats or fears on any side. All right. I usually ask the host if they've got someone we can raid out so we can double raid and just bless somebody else that is streaming.

Shoot.

Let's see. Well, I mean, I'm... Or unless you're going to stay live, I can raid you if you're going to stay live.

Yeah, I was going to say, I wasn't going to promote myself here, but this is still my streaming time. Oh, no, no.

If you're staying live, I'll raid you. That's fine, too.

yeah yeah that's the other way we do it because some people like are live for four or five hours in their window so oh yeah yeah that's fine so so yeah this is this yeah this is usually when i stream i try to do it like every weekday you know around this time so um i do have some people's like no no i'm exhausted from after doing the the you know the interview and all of that oh yeah i mean yeah this is mentally tough i might have to i might have to like you know uh do some brain dead have some brain dead conversations here watch you know tell some more poop jokes but uh um but yeah yeah this was this was this was uh Crazy.

Captain Typo is going, oh, there's some things I would say on your channel that I didn't say here. So they're keeping them under wraps waiting to just unleash them.

This is what I love. Yeah, I love – this is what I love about my channel. It's just, yeah, they – We can be unhinged, but they know how to read the room and they're respectful. And so, yeah, I don't talk well about my chat all the time. Just to other people, except to them. They can get kind of, you know, big headed if I just, you know, talk good about them all the time. So, but yeah, they're great.

All right, I'll start the raid shortly, but I do have podcast. I believe it's next Thursday. I'll put up on credits in just a second for Fedorable Will will be next week.

Oh, fantastic.

I believe I'll have Pabstio on the following week. I'll share it here. Pabstio was on the podcast and neither one of us had a VOD that survived. So I never got to publish it. Something happened that day. So it was like it happened live. There was no VODs of it or they were corrupted. Oh, no. And so. So Papsy and I are planning, I believe it's the Wednesday afterwards, so two weeks Wednesday, we'll figure out what time it's going to be and firm that up and be able to share that. And then in March, I'm doing the... uh mod cast so it's a mod takeover so uh luces five luces is going to be on the podcast um blanco is going to be on the podcast um trying to think who else so i'm trying to have mods who don't stream on the podcast so trying to get yeah ike ben here who stream who mods for a number of places So I just want to bring another voice and bring that voice forward. So, yeah, I did get back to Blanco Supersonic, and he's on the – so here's my schedule. I can remember it because it'll be the 5th at 7, the 7th at 5. It'll be the 10th at 1 and the 13th at 10. So that's the plan at least. And all of those might happen. Some of them might not. I've got the schedule out there. I'm filling in. So if you know a mod who does not stream, who you think is a wonderful mod and would love to talk about their faith, they don't have to be on a Christian stream. They can mod for someone who's not Christian, but I want them to be Christian to talk about their faith as we stream.

uh yeah yeah and and we're hopefully doing i'm trying to think i'm trying to think if i know i'm trying to think if i know like um christian mods from other from like like big big channels i'm gonna i'm gonna check around i'm gonna check around me i have i just don't know where some of these mods are you know in their faith like i i don't know if they're a christian i know i know some mods for some big channels i just don't know if they're they're like christian

If they are, I'd love to have them on because, like I said, you can be serving wherever you are. You can be a Christian wherever you are. And that was some of the theme at REACH conference was Christians who are working at secular companies and how do they show up as a Christian in the space that they work in. And so I just think that's another way we can be doing things. in twitch is if we equipped and sent mods to go serve the whole community of twitch and and not just isolate them over to only being in the christian sector so yeah that's awesome that's awesome all right i'm gonna oh just again Thank you, thank you, thank you for being on the podcast. And thank you for your chat, your community, being here, and my community as well. I appreciate you all, whether you've been lurking or not. This has been a great conversation. I hope that you were blessed. And please go follow wherever you get your podcast. On Apple, we are now there. On Spotify, we are now there. YouTube, we've been there from the beginning. And if you like and give, thumbs up and do evaluation. I am horrible at asking for all of these things, but I'm just saying it right now because when this comes out in a month, I want you to go and to make all of the comments you can about Will because you love Will. And so don't go do it for me. Go find it. And if you only ever watch his because you're in his channel, great. I don't care. I don't do this trying to make myself become anything. I am here to highlight my friends and highlight what God is up to in the space. And I think it's worth sharing with other people.

I appreciate you, brother. I appreciate you having me. I was kind of, you know, nervous. I was like, you know, about this because I had a feeling that, you know, it could get personal. And it's just so I appreciate the invitation. And it has helped me, you know, more than, you know, because it kind of helped me. you know, put things out there that I hadn't put out really to the internet. And, and, and I'm glad I did. I'm glad I did. And so, so, but, but, but just the conversation as a whole was just fantastic. And I appreciate you for it. And I appreciate you creating the space. So, so yeah, it's, it was great. It was great.

and i and i just trust the spirit is going to lead the the guests to the right things to share and uh yeah as perhaps you're saying uh it i think it's going to bless a lot of people when and i'm going to you know put clips out when uh it releases so that those can get shared as well so you don't have to yeah yeah people saying i saw the nerves when he mentioned this upcoming yeah when i i mentioned this uh you know i've been mentioning this on on I'm so threatening with all of my hats and fish. I'm so threatening.

I know. I mean, look at him, guys. Look at him. How are you not intimidated?

Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'm going to roll my credit so that anybody can see the upcoming stuff. I'm going to mute myself and then start the raid. So I will be over there shortly. All right.

All right. Love you, man. I appreciate you. And I will see you soon. I love you, too, man.